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explore the bazaars your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports you know Tim it's

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it's awful cramped in here I can't

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believe we're time traveling inside the

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Kecksburg Bell well Tim we're in time do

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you want to go today well I was thinking

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maybe Daley Plaza of course you can

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guess the date do you want to try and

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solve the question on who killed JFK

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well that and I want to find out where

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the babushka lady gets her head scarf

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well we don't need the time-travel to do

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that we can talk to the boo-boo chicken

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lady right now in 2018 on exploring the

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bizarre Wow you know I think isn't this

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kind of an exclusive I don't recall ever

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hearing anybody doing having a

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conversation with her on the on the air

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so maybe she has some insight on what

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happened that day in Daley Plaza and who

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might really have been responsible and

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what was Jack Ruby's involvement I don't

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know this is there's a lot of things we

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could ask her so why don't you start off

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Tim and get the ball rolling well it

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would be my pleasure and it is a

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pleasure tonight Tim because we have

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with us Beverly Oliver Misaki I hope I'm

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pronouncing that correctly Beverly now

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Beverly claims to be the babushka lady

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who was present at Dealey Plaza in

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Dallas Texas during the 1963

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assassination of President John F

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Kennedy now her nickname came from the

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head scarf she wore which was similar to

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I guess worn by elderly Russian women

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now the babushka lady was seen to be

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holding a camera by eyewitnesses and she

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was also visible in the Zapruder film

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but neither she nor the film that she

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she took has yet to be ever

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I guess positively identified no known

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photograph with her in frames captured

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her face

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and so now in 1970 Beverly told

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conspiracy researcher Gary Shaw that she

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was the babushka lady at the time at the

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JFK assassination Beverly was a singer

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and dancer at the colony Club which was

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a right next door to Jack Ruby's

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carousel club in Dallas now Beverly

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stated that she filmed the assassination

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with a super 8 film camera for any of

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was my first film camera super 8 film

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camera and that she turned the

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undeveloped film over to two men who

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identified themselves as FBI agents

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that they would return the film to her

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within 10 days and they never did so now

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she reiterated her claims the 1988

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documentary the men who killed Kennedy

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and she's also the author of the book

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along with Koch a Buchanan nightmare in

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Dallas the factual account of Beverly

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Oliver Massey who was a key eyewitness

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to the JFK assassination so Beverly

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us tonight on exploring the bizarre

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Beverly we do the same thing all the

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time Beverly Kevin can you have to

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understand that I am a natural blonde

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and I'm over 70 now so be patient with

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there with you I got my I got my birth

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certificate to to prove it but anyway go

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so Beverly why don't you tell our

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listeners a little bit about yourself

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you said before the show started that

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that's your Texan that you capture you

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bleed Texas so tell us a little bit

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residents and textures I had do a

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full-blooded red-blooded Texan at the

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parking lot from Jack Ruby's Club the

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Paris Club I've been singing

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that Street you know knew everybody I

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know that I read that you used to also

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like perform sing at private parties

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that Jack held so yeah well now the day

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of that the kennedy was shot when he

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had you heard something that you know

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that something may be going on yeah I

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went strictly because I was very much an

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admirer of the panties they would he was

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the first president

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my time and they were a young couple

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with children actual children in the

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white house and she was a trendsetter a

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beautiful lady and they were very

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attended they were very attractive that

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would have wanted to see so you went to

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a Dealey Plaza and you took along your a

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8 millimeter film camera yes brand-new

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design my boyfriend had given it to me

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visit and came back with this new camera

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it was a prototype camera and gave it to

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me with 12 rolls of film and 12

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envelopes I've been mayor of back to

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Rochester to be developed and that's

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what I use that day and yes I did know

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that it worked for exact netting film

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developed from it yet but I had made

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sure that morning and when I got down to

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Dealey Plaza that you know the camera

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was in perfect working order and I had

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already practiced took the magazine and

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and out so I know how to do everything

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because I didn't want to lose anything I

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wanted to to get a good feel of my

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president and I think I did well how

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long ahead of time did you arrive in the

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plaza before the motorcade started

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coming by probably I really don't know

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because there's him a watch on that day

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of the crowd and the buildings and yeah

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just like you would if you were sitting

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down they just all around to just make

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sure that the camera was in working

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order what was where where you were

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where there are a lot of people standing

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near you know there was the person on TV

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rented by the month all the show people

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before but not I went to a party and

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footwork they know what

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get my car I got in the back of mine

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mine is an old Buick and I got in the

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back there to get a bag a straw bag but

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I knew that I had left in there just

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took my camera and an extra row film in

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an extra battery in there in case you

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know something wrong I'll jump too much

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or whatever I just wanted to be prepared

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and in that bag was my bikini and some

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first out in the in the trunk and I set

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my camera and everything in there and

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of the car and I took those high-heeled

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shoes ahead on authors but my walking

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shoes on my old ones and I when I got

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cold out so the wind kid started balling

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bag and headed down I guess it would be

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sunny west on Commerce Street and I was

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wanting to just stick to the nearest

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place I could get and get up to his curb

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and get a picture get a film of my

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president and I walked and I would look

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at the side street since I would walk

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and it was just like just as I usually

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getting down there that weekend or worse

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actually there was no way you could get

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up to the curb on Main Street there was

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just too many people and I kept walking

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and kept walking and I got down to

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Houston Street and even a bull on

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configure acid that the date motorcade

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wasn't gonna go the way they had

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advertised because the more lined up

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they were lined up down he's just

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reading and down Elm Street I think like

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a mental gotta figure out which led

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needed to go beautiful oh how did you

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know it was very obvious which way you

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which was another day before and so I

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made my way across he sent off for two

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uh grassy

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icon triangles and across bouncy

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oh just a little bit before you got to

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the concrete that's on an opposite side

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I was standing on the side that the

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brooder was on and there was two ladies

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and there was a gentleman and his son a

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little boy Evan paced me seven eight

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years old out of my house he was and

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then there were some people back in the

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background and it was them see he does

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of the only ones that I actually have my

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own memories love and that's why I

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decided to stay because I was right next

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to the car I was driving on shuttle home

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phone and was there because I had

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started filming whenever this motorcade

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turned the corner and so it took me on

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that side of Chuck Graham and his son

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and Mary Moorman and Jean Hill but then

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I evidently walked I don't recall this I

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walked in concert with the motorcade

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filming because at the end of it you see

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pictured him standing on the opposite

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side of June hell in there Mormon

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now when the when the fatal shot rang

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out

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were you looking through the the camera

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at that point yes how are ya what

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exactly what exactly did you see what

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what exactly did you see well when I had

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the motorcycle started to turn on to Elm

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Street and just as they turned on to

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answer justice that the continent

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the continent when I mean I don't know

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how far down it was it wasn't very far

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maybe three three callings down it was

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the noise it went bang bang bang and I

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thought that someone had a lot of

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children to bring those we just called

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poppers you know collaborate they just

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Earl up against the mahogany pop and I

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just think the remember everything there

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why would somebody let their children

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think something like that down to a

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place like this on a day like this

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and this is the president think right

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past me went past me was just a little

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bit kima cannot list there was a summer

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bang bang boom boom happened the hole he

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went back against a seat violently back

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against the seat and it looked like a

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whole bucket of blood was thrown out the

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back of the boy the car no boy and I

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guess that might be when I went into

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shock because the rest of the pictures

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I'm sitting there with my camera to my

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chest and I am people asked me did I go

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across the street

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I didn't for other things like did the

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I'm sorry did the limousine stop and I'm

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I don't know I can't tell you that

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because the whole world stopped for me

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and that that's what happened it was

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just like a moment in time it just did

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still and at some point in time it could

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have been too long

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price seemed like forever it was

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probably just seconds that I finally

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walked across the street and there was a

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group of people gathered down at the

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sort of the stairs the concrete stairs

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that go up no and I went there sit there

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for a while thinking and his picture

301
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suddenly standing there and that's where

302
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you can see my shoes not sure how those

303
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shoes today for those naysayers that

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think that wasn't me I'm after she's

305
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gone that I had on that day and imagine

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exactly my little deformed foot that I

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have and I stood there thinking you know

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there's I don't want to talk to me in it

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and so I just stood there and I don't

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know how long I didn't know not very

311
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long when I made a contact with a

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policeman I mean that works for the

313
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Dallas Police Department same was Rosco

314
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why he was coming down the know from the

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pergola area you know I thought okay he

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saw me off on him I didn't know him real

317
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off his wife was a was your neighbor why

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and she was the hostess for Jeffrey the

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I knew her father better than I did but

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at that time I really only knew him is

321
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Geneva by trusting but I know for sure

322
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it was him because I were used to seeing

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him dress the way he was that day he

324
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come to pick her up at night and he

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parked on the curb at compost which it

326
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wasn't us to take his gun belt off take

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his hat off and go upstairs away there's

328
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lots to get off work and that's the way

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he was dressed that day he had on

330
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policemen peanuts police his shirt he

331
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had his badge on he didn't have on a gun

332
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belt he didn't have on hand and so when

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we made eye contact I felt the Liberty

334
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to leave thinking okay if they do want

335
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to talk to me for whatever reason he

336
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knows where to find me because that was

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a day and kids don't understand yeah

338
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baby that was the day before cell phones

339
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and even CB radios before that so I had

340
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no way of knowing what had happened in

341
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the president's so I rushed back to the

342
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car to my car and I got in my song like

343
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I said it was an old Buick and I started

344
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home I went down Jackson Street 275 and

345
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turned north on 75 and there used to be

346
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an old Holiday Inn out there that was

347
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one of rams and ones that just lone

348
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forever you know one story and and just

349
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as I got to that exit I heard on I'm not

350
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because my radio wouldn't work downtown

351
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oh come Connie Connie Adela's antenna

352
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and my antenna was broke so it didn't

353
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work very well downtown looks okay out

354
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there and just as I got to the exit to

355
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get off for that that hotel I heard that

356
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the president was dead and shook me up

357
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for that I pulled off at that Holiday

358
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Inn and I stayed there for several

359
00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:55,500
minutes just crying I still didn't know

360
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what was happening to our world

361
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I mean there was a tragedy for seventeen

362
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year olds to see the president hid while

363
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I find some being brains me blood and

364
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everything laying all over the back of a

365
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car in the street now you know you're I

366
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guess you're best known for the the

367
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scarf that you're wearing what did you

368
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wear a babushka almost every day I mean

369
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was that something pretty common

370
00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:27,269
yes I did and hit you if you put film in

371
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the picture you'll see several women

372
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down there with the [\h__\h] goes on it was

373
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Randy it had been raining and my hair

374
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had to even I had on a dock was that day

375
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my hair so had it was nice but not for

376
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:44,880
the stage that night and I just for them

377
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I feel with him okay so did you did you

378
00:18:55,399 --> 00:18:53,309
keep that one from that dreadful day no

379
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I did I kept my couch and everything

380
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that when I got married

381
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I'm the there's my stuff into storage

382
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building my mom and dad's house and

383
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nighttime he forgot me

384
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:09,600
well I put it I wasn't uh huh like that

385
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what's everything happened I really

386
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:15,029
wasn't aware I'm historical importance

387
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in said it wasn't I wasn't trying to

388
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soften like I am now

389
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gosh I wish I'd done a lot of things

390
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differently and I put it out there in a

391
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box and I guess it's been it was March

392
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14th 1994 my Betty died on 93 my daddy

393
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died and my brothers and sisters went

394
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and closed the house down and the

395
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story's doing everything because I was

396
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out chancing and he and my brother call

397
00:19:50,659 --> 00:19:48,269
me and he said Bastide not sure why he

398
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:50,669
said we found a box I heard it we think

399
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is your stuff and I said whoa what's in

400
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it and he said well he said there's some

401
00:20:02,120 --> 00:19:58,710
dishes in there huh and he's sitting

402
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there's uh a pair of black she's old got

403
00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:04,799
a black she's in there and he said and

404
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there's something you can in there it's

405
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been chewed up by the mind

406
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and something I kind of a cream color

407
00:20:20,389 --> 00:20:19,610
yeah well I know I I've had stuff in

408
00:20:23,149 --> 00:20:20,399
storage

409
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:23,159
- you know I have a small publishing

410
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company we used to keep him with the

411
00:20:29,509 --> 00:20:27,659
books at all in storage and the mice

412
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,519
after a while would get into everything

413
00:20:34,639 --> 00:20:32,880
I mean they really just did a did a

414
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number and then you got the weather to

415
00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:37,930
contend with you know I mean

416
00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:42,220
when it was Aniston yeah anyways we

417
00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:44,670
didn't look it yeah go ahead

418
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back then we didn't have those plastic

419
00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:49,480
nice boxes like I do know that I have

420
00:20:52,860 --> 00:20:50,710
everything that I wanted my storage

421
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:52,870
building here is our nice plastic

422
00:21:00,090 --> 00:20:55,930
storage boxes and we didn't have those

423
00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:00,100
back then it's cardboard so now okay

424
00:21:05,850 --> 00:21:02,920
going back to okay so did the police

425
00:21:08,670 --> 00:21:05,860
ever come to interview the FBI did talk

426
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,680
to you right well I went to work Monday

427
00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:11,280
nights they didn't talk to me when I

428
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:13,960
when I went to work 99 I got here about

429
00:21:19,890 --> 00:21:18,370
7:45 and I can say that pretty surely

430
00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:19,900
because that's what I want went towards

431
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:23,260
over not I got there and I had my makeup

432
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:27,520
kit with me which was the train case to

433
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:30,130
the Samsonite luggage remember I still

434
00:21:34,530 --> 00:21:32,770
have one today and all this girls

435
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:34,540
carried him with our makeup in it so we

436
00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:36,250
can get our makeup on sexually we went

437
00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:37,750
to work she want to be fresh wings on

438
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,340
stage and so she wore a different kind

439
00:21:44,910 --> 00:21:41,440
of makeup on stage we did you know all

440
00:21:47,010 --> 00:21:44,920
that and so I had my makeup case with me

441
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:47,020
and I didn't even carry a personal

442
00:21:52,290 --> 00:21:48,490
little wallet everything I needed was

443
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:52,300
right here in that location so I yeah

444
00:21:55,530 --> 00:21:53,890
when you went to the Kali Klub you went

445
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:55,540
up a flight of stairs and then there was

446
00:22:00,570 --> 00:21:57,610
a landing and another flight of stairs

447
00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:00,580
into the club and I noticed least two

448
00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:03,670
men standing on the landing but it

449
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:05,140
didn't concern me because oftentimes

450
00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:06,970
people would wait there for their

451
00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:10,360
parties to catch up with them and but as

452
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:11,980
I've made it to the landing the

453
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:16,240
tolerance to God said miss Oliver and I

454
00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:20,080
said yes sir and he said that we had

455
00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:23,320
problems FBI identification his name was

456
00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:28,660
Regis Canady and he said I have he said

457
00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:29,920
we understand she were down he's

458
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:31,960
invading call it a fly so he said the

459
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,810
grassy place but you read on the grassy

460
00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:37,120
place when the president was killed and

461
00:22:40,890 --> 00:22:39,160
I said yes sir and he's really

462
00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:40,900
understand we were taking pictures I

463
00:22:46,140 --> 00:22:44,230
said no I was taking a film he said if

464
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:46,150
you had those seven adult well he knew I

465
00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:47,530
hadn't had them developed because they

466
00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:49,510
had an APB out for anything to do with

467
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:51,340
this nation I didn't know that in

468
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:51,760
another

469
00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:54,730
then and but he asked if I hadn't

470
00:23:00,030 --> 00:22:56,710
developed enough to know he said where

471
00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:00,040
are they I figure in my camera he said

472
00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:02,830
where is your tongue I said it's right

473
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,260
here my makeup kit all right

474
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:07,360
Everly let me I really let me interrupt

475
00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:09,190
you here because we have to go to our

476
00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:11,320
bottom of the hour break great place to

477
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:13,990
a pause the story when we come back

478
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,850
we'll continue our conversation with

479
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:18,640
Beverly Oliver and what happened to

480
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:25,840
their film now back to exploring the

481
00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:28,450
bizarre with two of the most

482
00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:30,790
electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

483
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:34,540
your hosts Timothy effectively and to

484
00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:40,480
Swartz alright welcome back to more

485
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exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz

486
00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:45,280
tonight we are talking with Beverly

487
00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:48,310
Oliver Masaki matt is it Massa gr messy

488
00:23:56,670 --> 00:23:54,340
G Beverly well that's a year okay thank

489
00:23:59,870 --> 00:23:56,680
you well as ever anybody who listens a

490
00:24:06,750 --> 00:23:59,880
show know that I have a 10 sometimes to

491
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:06,760
massacre were well so so do I that's why

492
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:13,450
I let you do the introductions I must

493
00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:17,170
say that this is a bit of history if

494
00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:21,460
there ever was one I mean you know we we

495
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:24,520
have people on here that talk about

496
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:29,200
everything from UFOs to Bigfoot to the

497
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,280
Great Pyramid but we do an occasional

498
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:34,960
well I guess I would classify this as a

499
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:37,990
conspiracy show but in fact let's find

500
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:38,410
out

501
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:41,170
was the Kennedy assassination in your

502
00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:46,080
mind a conspiracy or was Lee Harvey

503
00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:48,790
Oswald the sole gunman I mean you you

504
00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:52,920
were right there in my own personal

505
00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:54,940
opinion and I think that's what you're

506
00:25:01,710 --> 00:24:57,160
asking for because I'm not a circle yes

507
00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:01,720
now with this yeah yeah I know without a

508
00:25:05,550 --> 00:25:03,280
shadow of a doubt that the shot came

509
00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:05,560
from Bahamas ticket fence area

510
00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:09,190
hit the president in the soft side the

511
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:11,980
soft palate of the shed his right temple

512
00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:14,890
and continue to travel and blew out the

513
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:16,540
whole back of his head it blew out the

514
00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:19,090
side temple and continued to travel and

515
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:21,880
blew out the whole back of his head when

516
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:24,250
Jackie Kennedy was calling out over the

517
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:26,650
back of a trunk she was crawling out to

518
00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:28,750
get a piece of his skull that was laying

519
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:32,380
on that truck and according to Clint

520
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:36,250
Hill her her Secret Service man that

521
00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:37,960
climbed in and laid on top of them until

522
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:39,940
they got sued parkland he said she tried

523
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:42,490
the peaches hid back together all the

524
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:47,860
way now did you okay did you see anyone

525
00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:50,290
on that grassy know that you thought

526
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:52,030
didn't belong there or anybody that

527
00:25:57,570 --> 00:25:54,250
looks suspicious there supposedly it

528
00:26:00,900 --> 00:25:57,580
wasn't there a woman at the time that

529
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:00,910
the shots rang out that put up in a

530
00:26:06,030 --> 00:26:03,250
harem Brella even though well you did

531
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:06,040
say it was raining though that was a man

532
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:08,620
who did that there was a man okay well

533
00:26:16,890 --> 00:26:10,510
yeah yeah the umbrella man that's very

534
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:16,900
famous yeah and so yes the shot that I

535
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:17,710
know for sure

536
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:21,010
James on the picket fence area then that

537
00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:25,980
means conspiracy because Oswald was not

538
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,340
Bahama ticket fair Oswald was not on the

539
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:32,320
sixth floor either we know from our

540
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,450
witnesses that talked to him saw him

541
00:26:40,050 --> 00:26:37,120
there witnessed him there he was on the

542
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,060
second floor in the lunchroom when it

543
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:45,420
Beverly you made a comment earlier that

544
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:47,920
I guess that the papers had published

545
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,310
the president's route but it turned out

546
00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:53,340
that they didn't follow that route

547
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:57,340
no there's nothing sinister about that I

548
00:27:01,680 --> 00:26:58,810
people how to make something sinister

549
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,690
about that that is you it if you go even

550
00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:04,240
today straight down commerce today we're

551
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:05,680
going to go down they went down Elm

552
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:08,650
Street and let's get up on the the

553
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:11,890
street I forget what it's called now you

554
00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:14,650
go to the World Trade Center okay if you

555
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:18,340
go straight on Commerce Street you

556
00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:23,380
cannot get on Simmons you have to go

557
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:26,470
down and do a u-turn and come back the

558
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:28,600
only way you can get on Simmons from

559
00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:33,039
downtown power industry Oh any but so

560
00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:35,020
anybody who knows Dallas knows that that

561
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,760
was the route that that that they would

562
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:40,000
have to take yeah okay all right that

563
00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:42,850
makes sense now the okay if there were

564
00:27:48,419 --> 00:27:45,460
other people there behind the behind the

565
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:48,429
fence that were responsible for the the

566
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,590
shots how many people do you think that

567
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:53,440
there might have been could you tell

568
00:27:58,019 --> 00:27:55,929
and in what direction would they have

569
00:28:02,159 --> 00:27:58,029
gone often I mean with their their

570
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:02,169
escape have been relatively easy the

571
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,330
escape would have been easy

572
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:06,880
they'd have found a picture off of the

573
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:10,330
film that 'adam tend to say huge man

574
00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:12,850
he's took a film and it took a skill off

575
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,340
of his film that has a policeman back

576
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:18,399
there just exactly like I told them 55

577
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:22,240
years ago almost now that rosco hot was

578
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:26,950
dressed like and because you know behind

579
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:29,470
the picket fence with the parking lot

580
00:28:37,139 --> 00:28:32,740
and the train tracks and the train cars

581
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:37,149
and so yeah it would been easy to to get

582
00:28:45,539 --> 00:28:43,330
away from back there and okay what was

583
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:45,549
the the jaw did you talk to other people

584
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:47,860
that were in the crowd at the the time I

585
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:52,600
mean were people milling around now you

586
00:29:01,080 --> 00:28:56,049
know after it happened it was it was it

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:01,090
was absolutely pandemonium and everybody

588
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:03,130
was in shock you know people were crying

589
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:05,470
and it wasn't a time you know you're

590
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:10,240
going to change pleasantries and it

591
00:29:14,909 --> 00:29:12,190
wasn't something that any of us wanted

592
00:29:18,029 --> 00:29:14,919
to talk about because like I mean I

593
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:18,039
still couldn't believe it you know I I

594
00:29:22,919 --> 00:29:20,230
didn't believe it until I heard the

595
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:22,929
radio announcement Alan suddenly find

596
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:27,640
that he was dead ah it's something that

597
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:31,090
you can't even begin to imagine that

598
00:29:36,919 --> 00:29:31,770
disgust

599
00:29:38,180 --> 00:29:36,929
in broad daylight in Dallas Texas on Elm

600
00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:38,190
Street downtown

601
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:43,830
I mean just act endless you could walk

602
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:46,290
downtown three o'clock in the morning

603
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,050
and I'm at the one who bought it no you

604
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:51,360
say okay go ahead - yeah well I was just

605
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,610
gonna ask me you know how do you think

606
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:55,620
that the FBI was able to track you down

607
00:30:00,740 --> 00:29:58,770
so quickly to your workplace because you

608
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,750
said you came in and there was already a

609
00:30:06,919 --> 00:30:03,840
couple guys there waiting for you

610
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:06,929
well that was on Monday night the 25th

611
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:09,570
that they confiscated my film and that

612
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:11,190
was because Roscoe what made eye contact

613
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,179
with me and myself is bi connection

614
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:18,360
maybe study Roscoe why you might make a

615
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:21,179
4-year request for his file and you'll

616
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:23,910
get all black that pages so then they

617
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:28,320
the these FBI agents then they asked for

618
00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:32,190
your film yes and I have a document in

619
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:33,990
my file straight

620
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:36,390
it talks about the lady in the brown

621
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,490
coat that was sent out that morning of

622
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:40,200
the 25th some woman in the brown coat

623
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:44,130
taking a film because exactly one time

624
00:30:50,419 --> 00:30:45,929
the president was killed I have that in

625
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:50,429
my father's FBI document and anyway when

626
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:52,050
I went to work that night and he asked

627
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:54,210
me where was it appear my makeup kit and

628
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,610
he said well we want to take this film

629
00:31:00,770 --> 00:30:59,220
and develop them and get them back to

630
00:31:03,370 --> 00:31:00,780
you and look at them for evidence and

631
00:31:06,410 --> 00:31:03,380
we'll get them back to you in a few days

632
00:31:09,530 --> 00:31:06,420
famous last words in the case of the FBI

633
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:09,540
this was sure yeah but laying right next

634
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:12,510
to that camera and I may catch it was a

635
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:17,700
Prince Albert Chancellor marijuana oh no

636
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:21,179
candy bar had been 15 years for less

637
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:25,590
than 1/2 ounce so I stooped down and I

638
00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:27,630
opened up the lid to my train case and

639
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:30,260
lifted it Rick folded back toward him

640
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,900
makeup tray with one hand and camera

641
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:35,520
with the other switched amount hand him

642
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,080
the camera put the tray back in and shut

643
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,260
that case I don't want him to find it

644
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:42,690
and so he just he now you're reading

645
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:44,460
different people's looks and stuff but I

646
00:31:47,539 --> 00:31:45,570
took my former

647
00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:47,549
they didn't take my camera my camera was

648
00:31:55,129 --> 00:31:50,419
stowing all the storage building in 1977

649
00:31:56,659 --> 00:31:55,139
but they took my film out and and he

650
00:31:57,729 --> 00:31:56,669
said while we're getting back to him ten

651
00:32:05,049 --> 00:31:57,739
days or so

652
00:32:07,879 --> 00:32:05,059
and so that was another the 25th 1963

653
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:07,889
7:45 in the evening and no one can sense

654
00:32:12,349 --> 00:32:10,169
there's people who say they have seen it

655
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,359
in different people's offices in

656
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:14,820
Washington I do have another document

657
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:19,710
that admits it says it's another FBI box

658
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,899
that Treasury Department says the film

659
00:32:26,479 --> 00:32:24,539
which was taken not claim to being my

660
00:32:30,019 --> 00:32:26,489
supposedly bit but the film which was

661
00:32:34,219 --> 00:32:30,029
taken by Beverly Oliver was not retained

662
00:32:37,249 --> 00:32:34,229
by this office hmm that was nothing they

663
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:37,259
had had it was not retained is that what

664
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:40,169
you said not retained was not retained

665
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:41,099
by this office

666
00:32:46,219 --> 00:32:42,779
so what do they do take it across the

667
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:46,229
hall so they could say that yeah yeah

668
00:32:50,589 --> 00:32:48,690
yeah they had they handed it off to

669
00:32:53,089 --> 00:32:50,599
somebody else

670
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,099
yeah and it's not in there they're

671
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:55,200
they're filing we we see this all the

672
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:57,330
time you know we investigate UFOs and

673
00:33:01,339 --> 00:32:58,919
stuff and people are always getting

674
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:01,349
their films sometimes they get to film

675
00:33:05,989 --> 00:33:04,409
back with some some frames missing well

676
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,999
in fact didn't sue pruder

677
00:33:10,609 --> 00:33:08,159
that didn't take they claimed that some

678
00:33:14,419 --> 00:33:10,619
of the the actual frames have been

679
00:33:18,139 --> 00:33:14,429
slipped out yeah people who say that

680
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:18,149
endless altered

681
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,049
yeah doctored yeah okay so now have you

682
00:33:30,879 --> 00:33:24,299
ever speculated on who might have been

683
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:30,889
responsible Bank Ramona yeah for the

684
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:36,690
assessment with what's going on in our

685
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:46,919
country now but you could you be a

686
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:49,970
little bit more specific than that CIA

687
00:33:57,259 --> 00:33:53,460
CIA do you think it had anything to do

688
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,269
with the woodgas drop oh I don't think

689
00:34:01,210 --> 00:33:59,120
so

690
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:01,220
I think you do I think it had to do with

691
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:03,710
with Kennedy during away with the

692
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:07,010
Vietnamese War he was he escalating the

693
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:07,550
war

694
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:10,460
money

695
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:12,950
and he would be writing a war he was

696
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:16,010
doing was ground troops he was doing

697
00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:18,710
away with the Federal Reserve Bank he

698
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:22,400
had taken all my money in and and call

699
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:24,290
all the bills and he taking the United

700
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:25,250
States notes

701
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,010
I mean Federal Reserve notes off of the

702
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:30,800
bills and put United States notes on one

703
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:32,690
of the first things that LBJ did was

704
00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:35,540
take all the money back then and give it

705
00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:36,860
back to the Federal Reserve

706
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:38,900
I mean he's not backed up with anything

707
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:40,820
it's not backed up as copper forget

708
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:46,870
silver do you think Jon's Lyndon Johnson

709
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:49,670
somehow played a part in this

710
00:35:00,060 --> 00:34:54,530
of course he did how Percy did who had

711
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:01,360
well I

712
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:05,180
but that's good yeah I guess in a sense

713
00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:13,580
he he he did I mean yeah it involved the

714
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:18,200
military-industrial complex of course

715
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:20,390
Eisenhower had warned of that when he

716
00:35:26,830 --> 00:35:24,560
left the day he left office he warned

717
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:26,840
the Berlin tearing us yeah yeah in fact

718
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:29,150
a very strong statement I I just saw

719
00:35:33,790 --> 00:35:31,370
that the the other night

720
00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:33,800
well what was Jack Ruby's part of this

721
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:36,980
do you think Jack Ruby is a very

722
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,870
interesting character no the Jack would

723
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:40,880
be I know that's not exactly all read

724
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:43,610
about he did have a violent temper but I

725
00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:45,110
never thought this played against a

726
00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:48,080
woman at all I may be stupid you do that

727
00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:49,430
day together at night case her clothes

728
00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:51,590
off you know gonna end up and wants a

729
00:35:59,770 --> 00:35:56,030
bruised woman dance he was he could he

730
00:36:04,120 --> 00:35:59,780
was very I don't know what the word is a

731
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:04,130
complex and his personality he would he

732
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:05,930
could be such a gentleman and then turn

733
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:07,700
around if something didn't go his way

734
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:12,000
with a guy in the club and be be a bear

735
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:16,680
and he when you start to study here and

736
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:19,970
study him a long way back he was oh F I

737
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,310
in Chicago well how did he how did he

738
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:28,859
end up owning a club then in in Dallas

739
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:33,390
that seems a quite and just quite you

740
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,260
know quite a different chain he still

741
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:39,359
had agency picks and does a comedy

742
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:42,560
fascination and that has been proven in

743
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:46,140
the way that that I found out I couldn't

744
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:47,609
remember the name of the guy that took

745
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:50,190
my film but Gary Shaw I mentioned him in

746
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:53,880
the intro when he was hanging he brought

747
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:58,890
a book four books I think it was they

748
00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:01,740
were mug books and asking me to pick out

749
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:05,190
people that I knew from it was some in

750
00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:08,970
the clubs back in those days and it was

751
00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:11,190
a mood but you didn't say FBI aging or

752
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:13,590
policemen or club owner or stripper it

753
00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:16,290
was just people's pictures not their

754
00:37:22,579 --> 00:37:19,940
names or anything and in the third books

755
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:22,589
which book it was then when we got the

756
00:37:26,859 --> 00:37:24,540
register Canada's picture I said that

757
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:26,869
it's the man that took my film at night

758
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:29,070
he said are you sure

759
00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:32,520
I said I'm positive that's the man that

760
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:37,109
took myself and he was an FBI agent a

761
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:38,940
field agent that was sent in many

762
00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:42,810
morning on Monday afternoon to help with

763
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:48,750
the case so do you think okay so a Jack

764
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:53,700
Ruby might have been involved in this do

765
00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:56,040
you think that he was under some like

766
00:38:02,839 --> 00:37:58,440
Manchurian Candidate or mind control or

767
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:02,849
did he do this because he had some be

768
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:06,150
personal reason I think that he really

769
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:09,150
think ordered to do it mmm-hmm I think

770
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,310
he was ordered to do it because he knew

771
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:14,280
he knew Oswald before this before the

772
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:16,020
assassination because I was introduced

773
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:17,640
in two to three weeks prior to the

774
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,650
assassination especially this is not

775
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:21,839
friendly house office for the CIA and

776
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,750
seventeen I didn't know what the CIA was

777
00:38:29,799 --> 00:38:25,680
under my

778
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:29,809
I don't know what to see is back then

779
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:32,630
back then when I tell people that they

780
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:35,579
like me I told yeah sure

781
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:37,890
you know well that's not so hard to

782
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:39,210
believe that anymore is it

783
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:43,230
mm-hmm not at all but no okay so you say

784
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:46,740
you met Oswald yes I did two to three

785
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:49,170
wheel okay can i chime in time more than

786
00:38:51,769 --> 00:38:49,619
that

787
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:51,779
yeah and did you have a conversation

788
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:56,520
with him at all er no I was going to the

789
00:39:03,289 --> 00:38:59,490
Alabama but not with Giada he was who

790
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,299
was Jack's star headliner dancer we were

791
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,099
fans and there was a club called Alabama

792
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:07,200
that had a band all right she's good

793
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:10,859
dancer after hours and we used to go to

794
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,089
three times a week but I had a headache

795
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,640
that night I was think over and we

796
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:16,680
gathered our shows so that there was

797
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:18,599
three clubs downtown it was the calling

798
00:39:26,029 --> 00:39:22,470
club and the Peter lounge and then the

799
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:26,039
carousel and all three of us staggered

800
00:39:30,319 --> 00:39:27,960
the show so the patrons could make all

801
00:39:32,779 --> 00:39:30,329
three shows and so after I got through

802
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:32,789
singing I got my clothes on and went

803
00:39:38,299 --> 00:39:35,640
over after the last show and just gonna

804
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,309
tell John I just couldn't go yeah I feel

805
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,619
like going and they were sitting with a

806
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:42,420
corner of the runway

807
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:45,510
and it was jolly were sitting at the end

808
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,940
chair there was a vacant chair to her

809
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:50,400
left and the that vacant Richard left

810
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:53,369
was Jack and then next the left of Jack

811
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,279
was a man I didn't know when I got to up

812
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:58,980
to the table Jack stood up to pull my

813
00:40:02,779 --> 00:40:00,599
chair out he was that kind of a

814
00:40:04,099 --> 00:40:02,789
gentleman and he told my chair out and

815
00:40:05,539 --> 00:40:04,109
as I was sitting down in a chair he

816
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,549
father like there oh yes it's not

817
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:08,000
friendly Oswald he's with the CIA

818
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:10,470
well he was watching the girl that's

819
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:14,579
what he was there for and he he is gonna

820
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:16,380
sound kind of snotty but this is a while

821
00:40:20,539 --> 00:40:18,210
affected he wasn't particularly

822
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:20,549
good-looking he didn't seem to have a

823
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,950
very good personality and he didn't look

824
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:24,480
like he had any money so I don't have

825
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:28,740
anything to say to him now it was he

826
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:32,730
fairly well like known in in in in that

827
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:34,680
well he was involved in all kinds of

828
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:38,850
political movements and things

829
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:41,580
was he doing that not in Dallas he

830
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:43,110
wasn't handing out that was what he was

831
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:45,090
in New Orleans I guess in New Orleans oh

832
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:47,610
yeah yeah he wasn't he wasn't handing

833
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:49,430
out leaflets or anything along that line

834
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:51,900
of sounds almost like he had he had

835
00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:54,930
switched us his personality from a

836
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:00,060
supporter of Cuba to who to somebody who

837
00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:02,850
was a member of some government agency

838
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:04,350
well that's that's what they do

839
00:41:12,850 --> 00:41:06,650
I mean there's no no doubt about that

840
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,860
yes in 1975 yeah when corollary the

841
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:15,420
program America I think it was called

842
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:17,370
any shudders a brutal film for the first

843
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:20,490
time it's also called about he also

844
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:22,530
interviewed a couple weeks after that a

845
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:24,810
guy named Wally West and who was the

846
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:28,800
emcee at the Carousel Club and and he

847
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:32,370
tells him while he told her all go

848
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:37,440
he hid Oswald in the mouth one night in

849
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:40,770
the club because I walked out in the

850
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:43,410
middle of his monologue I think you're

851
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:47,910
an effing communist and he didn't know

852
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:51,600
was that he was a lot like boxing

853
00:41:59,330 --> 00:41:56,910
champions and while he said YPG says and

854
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,340
he said I said I think you're an effing

855
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,920
communist well that was the worst thing

856
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:05,040
you could say to somebody in 1953 I mean

857
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,130
I guess all work to keep you sane and

858
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:10,500
while I just put the mic down hopped off

859
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:11,880
the stage when everything just

860
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:19,910
cold-cocked and right the mouth so now

861
00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:23,310
have your opinion have your opinions on

862
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:25,620
all of this I mean having lived through

863
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:29,090
it has anything changed over the years

864
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:39,440
don't you know I I don't think you want

865
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,490
to go into that part I really don't

866
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:44,040
because I'm being very verbal and I'm

867
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,740
very controversial about it I lied for

868
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:48,540
instance if you think I think judge

869
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:50,760
Scalia died of natural causes you've got

870
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,110
another thing coming I just don't

871
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:53,040
believe it

872
00:43:01,310 --> 00:42:55,830
who died of natural causes judge Scalia

873
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:01,320
dad oh yeah oh uh I don't I know who

874
00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:03,630
knows I mean how about Foster was a

875
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:05,070
force through delos that was supposedly

876
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:08,850
pushed out the window yeah yeah Tim is

877
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:11,850
that right no dreams were personal James

878
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:14,520
4:4 so far so yeah I always get and get

879
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,130
the two of them confused he was somewhat

880
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:19,920
in the hotel room in in in New York or

881
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:22,530
something right and there was a an agent

882
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:23,910
in the room with him and all of a sudden

883
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:31,740
he was on the sidewalk yeah that that

884
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:32,760
that happened

885
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,060
gosh I think that would that happen even

886
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:38,280
before the Kennedy assassination yeah

887
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:42,630
oh it did well okay I I have a question

888
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:45,380
we don't have unfortunately four minutes

889
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:50,520
left but when did you find out Beverly

890
00:43:56,570 --> 00:43:54,600
that that people were you know looking

891
00:44:00,200 --> 00:43:56,580
at the Zapruder film and wondering who

892
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,210
you were you know I never did really

893
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:02,160
find out I'll tell you exactly how it

894
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,260
happened I was singing in revival in

895
00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:06,540
Joshua Texas for Gary Shaw was a member

896
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:08,670
of the church Jerry Lane Dennard was the

897
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:11,430
music director of that week and I had

898
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:13,140
gotten there just in time to run over my

899
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:15,150
songs with him for that night and back

900
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:17,100
then I was single and I stayed in

901
00:44:20,090 --> 00:44:18,570
people's homes because I didn't want

902
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:20,100
somebody saying they saw me coming out

903
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:22,970
of a motel with a man or something and

904
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:25,950
that mr. Shaw came in the back door the

905
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:28,050
church injury webinars Christian

906
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:31,050
Barnard's daddy said I hate Beverly when

907
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:34,110
she told want to tell but a shopper you

908
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:36,360
were home Kennedy was killed and sod to

909
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:38,220
sit down and tell them I won like I was

910
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:39,750
trying to hide I just didn't know who to

911
00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:40,380
talk to

912
00:44:46,610 --> 00:44:43,880
I was waiting on bringing him back so I

913
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:46,620
told him once you know I have a anything

914
00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:48,570
I want to talk to bicker his eye shot

915
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:50,340
and guess whose house I was saying it

916
00:44:56,830 --> 00:44:52,730
that week Gary Shaw Seco

917
00:45:00,320 --> 00:44:56,840
and that's how it happened

918
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:00,330
so although all these years you had no

919
00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:01,890
idea that you know people were

920
00:45:12,830 --> 00:45:07,630
60

921
00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:12,840
and I didn't not know that anybody was

922
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,820
investigating it or anything I didn't

923
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:16,500
know who the doctor I did know that

924
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:20,160
several people had died and I was scared

925
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:20,850
to death

926
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,730
I was absolutely he totally stood yes my

927
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:25,920
boss a black thing you know so he coming

928
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:26,610
don't you

929
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,770
Gary there's people in here and I forget

930
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:30,300
who they were they were different big

931
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:33,720
television programs he's don't dare talk

932
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:46,310
and I'm really there's time town fifty

933
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:47,940
four years later almost fifty five years

934
00:45:57,620 --> 00:45:54,460
do you think that all those documents

935
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:57,630
will ever really be released I mean they

936
00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:59,220
were supposed to be and then they turned

937
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:02,040
out that they weren't three presidential

938
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:05,070
orders and it's still out not a boyhood

939
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:08,940
and what I do when I do releasing this

940
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:12,900
are we back today oh I know yeah like

941
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:16,350
hey we're just running up to the time

942
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:21,330
here but you have a book out it's been

943
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:23,160
out there still sorted they'll fill him

944
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:26,250
not marrying it out nightmare in doubt

945
00:46:37,099 --> 00:46:30,390
and you're affiliated with a website yes

946
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:37,109
see em yes I am see at earthly dotnet

947
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:41,220
and what will we find on there that's

948
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:47,430
the email address their mind it's well

949
00:46:51,590 --> 00:46:50,040
with that we we've got a live yeah we

950
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:51,600
got a leak on our what on our website

951
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,150
Beverly but thank you very much for

952
00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:55,980
being with us tonight this has been

953
00:46:59,660 --> 00:46:58,230
absolutely fascinating and you know

954
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,670
maybe we can have you on again sometime

955
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:03,119
and talk some more yeah well stick

956
00:47:17,950 --> 00:47:07,619
battle stay well stay well thank you

957
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:22,420
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

958
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:24,910
ride into the world of the paranoid

959
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:28,220
strap yourself in as we traverse the

960
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:32,500
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

961
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:35,650
ghosts Lost Worlds

962
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:38,030
cryptozoology waters as well as other

963
00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:41,869
dimensions it's time to take back the

964
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,280
night last night now your electrifying

965
00:47:57,579 --> 00:47:49,520
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

966
00:48:00,070 --> 00:47:57,589
Begley and Tim Schwartz alright welcome

967
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:00,080
back to the second hour of exploring the

968
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:04,089
bizarre in Tim our first guest Beverly a

969
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:08,210
master key fascinating story indeed

970
00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:10,220
indeed I don't think we've never covered

971
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:14,060
the JFK assassination before and to have

972
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:16,730
an actual person who was there in Daley

973
00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:20,320
Plaza at the time and had her film

974
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:23,000
confiscated by government agents and

975
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:25,849
never returned it almost sounds like it

976
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:30,710
could be a UFO movie well you know I

977
00:48:37,329 --> 00:48:33,050
mean there's been you know a lot of

978
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:37,339
people who have compared the two you

979
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:39,230
know the UFO phenomena and the

980
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:41,089
conspiracy to silence it in the JFK

981
00:48:46,839 --> 00:48:42,770
assassination there's a lot of

982
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:46,849
similarities with the way well I guess

983
00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:48,230
you know Tim that there are some people

984
00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:51,500
who believe that the reason that JFK was

985
00:48:58,089 --> 00:48:54,260
assassinated was because he was about to

986
00:48:59,980 --> 00:48:58,099
tell the truth about mj-12 I don't know

987
00:49:02,320 --> 00:48:59,990
if I necessarily believe that but there

988
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:02,330
are some documents that I've seen

989
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:03,650
they're floating away the tie-in with

990
00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:06,740
Marilyn Monroe and supposedly JFK had

991
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:08,660
told Marilyn Monroe about all this and

992
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:11,000
of course Dorothy Kilgallen the famous

993
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:12,560
journalist was involved in this to win

994
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,450
it they're all dead

995
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:17,359
yeah yeah and if we and if we if we

996
00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:20,650
don't watch if we don't watch our step

997
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:28,580
you know what whatever anyway okay all

998
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:30,380
right what now okay now four of the

999
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:31,520
second hour

1000
00:49:37,690 --> 00:49:35,750
we have as our guest Cody Knox now Cody

1001
00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:37,700
is a director producer writer and actor

1002
00:49:43,930 --> 00:49:40,820
he's a native of tailors tailors town

1003
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:43,940
Pennsylvania and he previously served as

1004
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:46,370
the editor of the weekly recorder a

1005
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:48,830
newspaper covering Pennsylvania and

1006
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:50,750
national politics which helped free two

1007
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:52,730
individuals who had been wrongly accused

1008
00:49:57,850 --> 00:49:55,670
of murder now as a filmmaker nuts has

1009
00:50:00,880 --> 00:49:57,860
produced and directed the film's pro

1010
00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:00,890
wrestlers versus zombies that's right up

1011
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:03,320
our alley we should have had that we had

1012
00:50:08,890 --> 00:50:05,270
a show on Pro Wrestling just a couple of

1013
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:08,900
weeks ago we should have had you on and

1014
00:50:15,610 --> 00:50:12,050
and and gore Orphanage I love that title

1015
00:50:17,950 --> 00:50:15,620
coral Phoenix and Cody is currently

1016
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:17,960
working on Kecksburg which is inspired

1017
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:20,360
by the real-life events of December 9th

1018
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:22,790
1965 and one of America's most

1019
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:25,910
mysterious UFO incidents and NOx

1020
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:29,570
describes the film as sci-fi horror

1021
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,180
so now NOx says that our goal is to

1022
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:34,880
bring the events to life about the

1023
00:50:39,610 --> 00:50:37,580
Kecksburg a UFO and he said that

1024
00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:39,620
eyewitness stated that they saw alien

1025
00:50:45,490 --> 00:50:41,860
bodies removed and we believe them

1026
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,500
versus what the government says so Cody

1027
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,880
thank you very much for being with us

1028
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:48,880
tonight I don't exploring the bizarre oh

1029
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:52,640
thank you I'm happy to be here well you

1030
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:56,240
know we kind of do the same kind of work

1031
00:51:01,540 --> 00:50:59,210
issue we I'm mr. Creepo we we've made a

1032
00:51:07,450 --> 00:51:01,550
few horror movies in our in our time

1033
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:07,460
like barely legal the vampires and he's

1034
00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:08,990
what's the other the the skin eating

1035
00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:11,060
jungle vampires that's my favorite

1036
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:11,630
actually

1037
00:51:17,710 --> 00:51:16,070
I thought Sandy Hook lingerie party

1038
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:17,720
muscular is your favorite well that was

1039
00:51:23,170 --> 00:51:19,220
it that was a good one too but we had to

1040
00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:23,180
change we changed a name you know when

1041
00:51:26,770 --> 00:51:25,160
we released it because a lot of people

1042
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:26,780
thought that we were trying to do I

1043
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,200
don't know a parody or versa well it all

1044
00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:33,440
goes back to Alex Jones and him the

1045
00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:35,060
stating something about what was in our

1046
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:38,030
movie some synchronicity or whatever was

1047
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,010
but that's that's for another show in

1048
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:43,040
another time but yeah we we've we've

1049
00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:44,330
dabbled in

1050
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:48,260
and in in horror films as as well so

1051
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:50,060
when did you first get behind the camera

1052
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:54,530
Cody oh it would have been about let's

1053
00:51:57,550 --> 00:51:56,450
see was right after a failed race for

1054
00:52:00,370 --> 00:51:57,560
State House

1055
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:00,380
so I ran for state legislature in

1056
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:03,830
Pennsylvania and needed to I always say

1057
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:06,170
it's a big midlife crisis so I needed to

1058
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:09,410
make a lot of changes in life so you

1059
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:12,280
weren't you weren't a young aspiring

1060
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:15,680
film director that usually the first

1061
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:19,490
horror films are made rather young I

1062
00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:21,530
mean you know I mean it sounds like you

1063
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:26,020
were a wee bit older I was a politician

1064
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:30,290
so I was a newspaper editor and a I'd

1065
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,170
run for State House twice in

1066
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:35,680
Pennsylvania and barely lost post times

1067
00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:39,920
and so I needed a change in life

1068
00:52:45,070 --> 00:52:42,200
I actually went freeing the helping the

1069
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:45,080
men out of jail for murder I risked my

1070
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:47,870
life doing with a DA that was one of the

1071
00:52:52,510 --> 00:52:50,030
suspects and a district attorney was a

1072
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:52,520
suspect in a double homicide

1073
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:55,730
so I said see ultimate midlife crisis

1074
00:53:00,810 --> 00:52:57,560
but needed a total change in direction

1075
00:53:03,550 --> 00:53:00,820
in life so had you always been a fan of

1076
00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:03,560
horror films I mean what of although I

1077
00:53:09,730 --> 00:53:07,460
loved work affect yeah yeah I love like

1078
00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:09,740
but I love film I mean it pretty much

1079
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:12,980
yeah you know forth in the reason we

1080
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:16,790
chose war films was because if you look

1081
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,810
at the the market the only way you can

1082
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:22,670
go anywhere initially theory makes ill

1083
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:25,030
good Christian films or horror films and

1084
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:27,170
even though I'm a believer I

1085
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,810
I don't like films where the bad guy is

1086
00:53:35,110 --> 00:53:32,240
is better than anybody I know in real

1087
00:53:37,870 --> 00:53:35,120
life I find that very cheesy and not

1088
00:53:40,810 --> 00:53:37,880
worth watching so I needed to make

1089
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:40,820
something that I cared about had you

1090
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:44,420
always had an interest in in UFOs or was

1091
00:53:48,910 --> 00:53:47,720
it just a an interest in Kecksburg I

1092
00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:48,920
mean how did you get involved in

1093
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:51,350
although I've always been interested in

1094
00:53:57,740 --> 00:53:54,410
UFOs UFOs are fast and it's the fact

1095
00:54:01,609 --> 00:54:00,230
the unknown that to me this it's

1096
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:01,619
obviously there might be something out

1097
00:54:06,529 --> 00:54:04,740
there and you know we would see stuff on

1098
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,539
the farm we had an 80-acre farm and we

1099
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:08,880
would see unidentified flying objects

1100
00:54:14,839 --> 00:54:12,630
and so that was a fascination and then

1101
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:14,849
when I saw insult mysteries Robert Stack

1102
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:17,880
was talking like ax Berg that got my dad

1103
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:20,510
and I his attention when I was young

1104
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:23,640
about how old were you at that time I

1105
00:54:31,029 --> 00:54:26,130
was your teenager I think that was like

1106
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,039
82 so I'd have been like let's see 14 oh

1107
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:34,079
okay well you know that one that's kind

1108
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:35,430
of yeah that's kind of funny but that's

1109
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:38,430
when a lot of our friends and fellow

1110
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:40,260
associates who are on the program from

1111
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:42,500
time to time we all seem to have got

1112
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:46,319
interested around the age of 14 I had

1113
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:48,270
gone out of what a mimeograph machine

1114
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:51,180
and was putting out my first newsletter

1115
00:54:57,849 --> 00:54:54,059
when I was 14 years old it was called

1116
00:55:01,700 --> 00:54:57,859
the interplanetary news service report

1117
00:55:04,279 --> 00:55:01,710
but hochberg is certain yeah okay well I

1118
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:04,289
and over the years I edited UFO review

1119
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:05,910
which was the official flying saucer

1120
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:08,910
newspaper and I was editor for 11 years

1121
00:55:13,789 --> 00:55:12,119
of UFO universe magazine which was sold

1122
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:13,799
the you know worldwide on the newsstands

1123
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:17,160
before all magazines went the way of the

1124
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:20,569
dinosaur I mean actually that's a pretty

1125
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:22,890
pretty terrible things that happen I me

1126
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:26,010
because I'm a big I like you know ink on

1127
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:29,849
paper and you know the leafing through a

1128
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:31,770
book in a magazine and all of that I'm

1129
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:34,980
not big too big on the electronic books

1130
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:37,529
but I shouldn't say that because they

1131
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:40,200
are increasingly a larger portion of our

1132
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:44,490
sales but okay so how close do you live

1133
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,710
to Kecksburg well I used to live until

1134
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:52,500
we moved in January we lived about 30

1135
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:56,160
minutes from Kecksburg but my wife was

1136
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:00,839
hired as the music director at Most Holy

1137
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,390
Trinity at West Point so we moved to

1138
00:56:09,529 --> 00:56:05,520
West Point so I actually live at the US

1139
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:09,539
military academy so up until yeah well I

1140
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:11,310
was gonna say up until then

1141
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:13,350
when you were 14 and saw the story on

1142
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:16,200
unsolved mystery you you had never heard

1143
00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:19,500
of the Kecksburg incident I had not and

1144
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,350
actually at that point I lived probably

1145
00:56:28,340 --> 00:56:24,960
an hour and a half from there so when I

1146
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:28,350
met my wife I moved she lives close to

1147
00:56:34,850 --> 00:56:32,160
Kecksburg so I moved there so but I had

1148
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:34,860
I heard nothing and and so when this

1149
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,110
came on and I saw the the military

1150
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:39,960
moving the vehicle you know the object

1151
00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:42,150
and all that that was fascinating I mean

1152
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:46,590
it it was a local mystery and that made

1153
00:56:51,350 --> 00:56:49,740
it even neater and then the stuff that's

1154
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:51,360
come later like the Hillary Clinton

1155
00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:53,370
demanded the records and she thought of

1156
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,590
Freedom of Information request in 2016

1157
00:57:01,250 --> 00:56:58,260
while running for president and wasn't

1158
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:01,260
given the records they said they they

1159
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:04,800
don't longer exist and so the those type

1160
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:06,390
of things just add to the mystery I mean

1161
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:08,850
the Podesta I don't know like John

1162
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:11,190
Podesta but the fact that he couldn't

1163
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:12,990
get the records when working the Clinton

1164
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:17,550
White House those things deeply bother

1165
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:21,750
me now and I were smolitics do you find

1166
00:57:28,030 --> 00:57:25,590
that this is a unique a unique case and

1167
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:28,040
if so what what makes it unique to you

1168
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:30,990
well I think the political aspect the

1169
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:34,230
fact that you know we are 50 some years

1170
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:37,740
removing the incident and there is no

1171
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:40,410
reason that somebody as you know one

1172
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:41,940
thing I know in politics is is if you

1173
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:43,470
tell me one thing which was at first

1174
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:45,390
it's it's a meat-eor then you tell me

1175
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:47,610
it's a Russian satellite and then okay

1176
00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:49,050
you have a presidential candidate and

1177
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:52,230
former first lady former senator asking

1178
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:54,420
for the records you couldn't find some a

1179
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:56,280
more politically powerful other than now

1180
00:58:01,730 --> 00:57:58,650
president Trump and you say you know

1181
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:01,740
what we don't have them that tells me

1182
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:03,900
there's something that they don't want

1183
00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:06,300
people to know and why do we not want

1184
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:09,120
them to know this many years later I

1185
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:11,160
mean I'm part of it I know they play

1186
00:58:16,030 --> 00:58:13,020
these games were sometimes the objects

1187
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:16,040
we see are things that they're testing

1188
00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:19,020
you know it and and that that's clearly

1189
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:23,840
the military has done that for years but

1190
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:26,180
they're supposed to look for 25 years be

1191
00:58:30,310 --> 00:58:27,470
releasing this information obviously

1192
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:30,320
they keep reclassifying but that's also

1193
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:32,060
wrong I mean it's a government for the

1194
00:58:35,020 --> 00:58:33,410
people by the people and of the people

1195
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,030
and sometimes need to be reminded that

1196
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:37,760
this is our government and we bring

1197
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:40,850
those type of themes into the film it

1198
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:44,480
was very intentional that it's these

1199
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:46,010
people that are running things we need

1200
00:58:50,890 --> 00:58:48,080
to be reminded that they work for us not

1201
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,900
the other way around it did you have you

1202
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:52,400
ever talked to any of the witnesses

1203
00:58:58,350 --> 00:58:55,670
personally I have and I've talked to Bob

1204
00:59:01,320 --> 00:58:58,360
Gaddy who was one of the reporters who

1205
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:01,330
just recently and involves a great guy

1206
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,440
and we've they find us and what I find

1207
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:08,240
really funny is this legendary three

1208
00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:09,770
boys in the woods which we made part of

1209
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:12,620
the film yeah everybody and their

1210
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:14,330
brother claims that the guys in the

1211
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:16,370
woods I mean there's so many people that

1212
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,260
are you know three years ago I was that

1213
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:20,480
person in the woods there's a part of me

1214
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:22,010
wants to add it but very end of the film

1215
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:24,290
after the credits a whole bunch of

1216
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:26,740
people standing in the woods staring at

1217
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:30,670
almost like an inside joke because it's

1218
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:33,170
you know there's a lot of things that

1219
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:35,360
people claim they saw my wife the other

1220
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:37,250
day said well when I was a child I

1221
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:39,080
watched a space shuttle Challenger blow

1222
00:59:43,330 --> 00:59:41,690
up one and Hampton he didn't because it

1223
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:43,340
wasn't on television they showed it

1224
00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:47,270
after the lot and but people create this

1225
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:49,430
impression in their mind that they were

1226
00:59:54,850 --> 00:59:52,490
there in Pittsburgh everybody saw the

1227
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:54,860
Immaculate reception everybody saw it

1228
00:59:59,260 --> 00:59:56,270
but the game was actually blacked out

1229
01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:59,270
and almost everybody was at the stadium

1230
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:01,160
has left they had less than 10,000

1231
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:02,890
people there at the point that happened

1232
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:04,970
but everybody claims they were there and

1233
01:00:10,330 --> 01:00:07,910
so on so that it's one the promise of

1234
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:10,340
eyewitness testimony and and I come from

1235
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:12,290
an investigative reporter standpoint and

1236
01:00:16,060 --> 01:00:13,730
that's probably why the story

1237
01:00:19,690 --> 01:00:16,070
interesting is John Murphy come Murphy

1238
01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:19,700
dying from investigating this and so

1239
01:00:26,770 --> 01:00:22,220
that's why he's our main character and

1240
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:26,780
is that he he died okay so he he was

1241
01:00:30,970 --> 01:00:28,310
with the you see the fellow that was

1242
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:30,980
with the local radio station he was the

1243
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:33,170
radio reporter and he's the one who

1244
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:34,610
wouldn't let go of it and did the

1245
01:00:41,229 --> 01:00:37,369
special the object in the sky

1246
01:00:45,999 --> 01:00:41,239
and ends up being filled by hit and run

1247
01:00:48,279 --> 01:00:46,009
as does mr. betters and can always get

1248
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:48,289
him and his brother mixed up Gary and

1249
01:00:54,849 --> 01:00:51,170
and and the other one um but the one mr.

1250
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:54,859
betters also dies and doesn't let go of

1251
01:00:59,650 --> 01:00:57,049
this he he does the notarized picture of

1252
01:01:02,049 --> 01:00:59,660
that he did for Stan Gordon of what he

1253
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:02,059
saw that night and he also is hit by

1254
01:01:08,049 --> 01:01:03,650
mysterious hit-and-run and it's an

1255
01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:08,059
unsold well two people dying and and we

1256
01:01:12,999 --> 01:01:11,329
created a character based on the the

1257
01:01:14,499 --> 01:01:13,009
african-americans were there and their

1258
01:01:17,289 --> 01:01:14,509
involvement because sometimes they get

1259
01:01:20,670 --> 01:01:17,299
forgotten well what it what is so

1260
01:01:23,229 --> 01:01:20,680
essential about the Kecksburg incident

1261
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:23,239
that people would have to die I mean

1262
01:01:27,579 --> 01:01:26,210
there are a lot of UFO sightings I mean

1263
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:27,589
some people maybe have died under

1264
01:01:33,989 --> 01:01:30,170
mysterious circumstances but for the

1265
01:01:37,089 --> 01:01:33,999
most part people that see UFOs are not

1266
01:01:39,370 --> 01:01:37,099
run a run over by hit-and-run drivers or

1267
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,380
anything like that although John John

1268
01:01:43,799 --> 01:01:41,839
Mackey was you know on a willingness in

1269
01:01:46,349 --> 01:01:43,809
England of course he was the Harvard

1270
01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:46,359
professor who was deeply involved in the

1271
01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:52,719
UFO abduction phenomena and he said yeah

1272
01:01:57,700 --> 01:01:54,950
yeah that's the 24 million dollar

1273
01:01:59,499 --> 01:01:57,710
question and what's so secret one of the

1274
01:02:00,999 --> 01:01:59,509
things we did when I first started

1275
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:01,009
publicizing this we had Hillary

1276
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:02,690
Clinton's picture and said what's so

1277
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:06,440
secret she can't know I mean and so it

1278
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:08,890
keeps leading back to dead people and

1279
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:11,960
you know a secret that we can't even

1280
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,400
with the Clintons know um so obviously

1281
01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:18,559
something went down there obviously it

1282
01:02:22,509 --> 01:02:20,900
was something important and the military

1283
01:02:24,329 --> 01:02:22,519
responded and if you knew the road

1284
01:02:28,329 --> 01:02:24,339
network they got there rather quickly

1285
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:28,339
and and so when the one of the neat

1286
01:02:32,109 --> 01:02:30,710
things we've done recently is when

1287
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:32,119
looking at I mean we're not doing a

1288
01:02:36,339 --> 01:02:33,650
documentary we're doing a feature doubt

1289
01:02:39,459 --> 01:02:36,349
we're miss telling alright so as far as

1290
01:02:42,969 --> 01:02:39,469
real people John Murphy's the only

1291
01:02:44,380 --> 01:02:42,979
person based on a real person the the

1292
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:44,390
African American character that's

1293
01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:47,310
basically inspired by Jerry betters

1294
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:48,520
[Music]

1295
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,910
was we gave him the main clutch Carson

1296
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,480
and even in that we take some liberties

1297
01:02:59,160 --> 01:02:57,520
because to make the story work for

1298
01:03:00,900 --> 01:02:59,170
example Murphy as far as we know wasn't

1299
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:00,910
a veteran but someone his age would have

1300
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:02,590
generally been a veteran in World War

1301
01:03:07,050 --> 01:03:03,130
two

1302
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:07,060
we wanted to show the juxtaposition the

1303
01:03:12,030 --> 01:03:09,940
killings men who fought in World War two

1304
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:12,040
and a government that wants to lie to

1305
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:14,410
them that's not what they were they were

1306
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:18,370
fighting in the war for so we made him a

1307
01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:20,380
veteran because most of those men would

1308
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:24,760
have been and we may be shooting are you

1309
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:28,690
shooting in Kecksburg we recently filmed

1310
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:31,690
a part of a scene because we've been

1311
01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:35,410
raising money and when we've been and we

1312
01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:37,540
want to make this done that make it

1313
01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:40,780
right and the most expensive part of the

1314
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:43,390
filming is still to come we have shot

1315
01:03:49,590 --> 01:03:46,210
about 38% of the film we shot on one of

1316
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:49,600
the scenes in Kecksburg with the three

1317
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:51,250
boys in the woods we actually shot where

1318
01:03:57,570 --> 01:03:52,810
they would have been as they were

1319
01:03:59,250 --> 01:03:57,580
heading towards the object and while we

1320
01:04:01,680 --> 01:03:59,260
were filming and this is really funny

1321
01:04:03,330 --> 01:04:01,690
they had three tornadoes hit the area

1322
01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:03,340
they hadn't had tornadoes and years and

1323
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:05,230
they had three tornadoes hit the area

1324
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:07,900
while we were filming and they were all

1325
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:10,240
within a mile of us surrounding us so we

1326
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,590
just kept filming because we couldn't go

1327
01:04:14,490 --> 01:04:12,640
anywhere we were there with the

1328
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:14,500
volunteer fire department so the

1329
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:19,840
emergency personnel was with us and so

1330
01:04:26,790 --> 01:04:21,040
there was nothing we could do at that

1331
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:26,800
point except wait until that was done we

1332
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:28,150
found out some neat stuff when you film

1333
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:30,790
with with tornadoes nearby the

1334
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:32,230
atmospheric center fear of digital

1335
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:36,310
cameras um oh yeah did not know I mean I

1336
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:38,770
had no idea because how many people go

1337
01:04:44,850 --> 01:04:40,300
out there make sure guys it chased

1338
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:44,860
storms so we have a couple shots where

1339
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:46,830
it's really weird because there's like

1340
01:04:53,310 --> 01:04:49,690
weird wavy lines in the backdrop and the

1341
01:04:54,690 --> 01:04:53,320
sound on that singular scene will have

1342
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:54,700
to ADR because there's no way you're

1343
01:04:59,220 --> 01:04:56,350
getting a good sound with with tornadoes

1344
01:05:00,730 --> 01:04:59,230
nearby that's not going to happen no

1345
01:05:03,130 --> 01:05:00,740
matter what you do

1346
01:05:06,310 --> 01:05:03,140
and so and we can hear them which is a

1347
01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:06,320
positive but it would be deafening in a

1348
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,470
theatre so that all get cleaned up but

1349
01:05:13,810 --> 01:05:11,119
so we did film there we're planning on

1350
01:05:15,310 --> 01:05:13,820
filming some more there the rest of the

1351
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:15,320
time we've been filming in locations in

1352
01:05:20,590 --> 01:05:19,010
West Virginia and in probably because we

1353
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:20,600
think there's a tie in the West Virginia

1354
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:22,130
I mean everybody says that this object

1355
01:05:27,850 --> 01:05:25,910
went to wright-patterson and I don't

1356
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:27,860
have any doubt that ended up there but

1357
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:29,330
they thought it was driven on a truck

1358
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:31,490
across the road every one was solid we

1359
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:33,530
don't have people see and it wouldn't

1360
01:05:38,350 --> 01:05:36,050
have made sense to take it that way when

1361
01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:38,360
they could have taken it down to the

1362
01:05:43,210 --> 01:05:41,600
army base in Preston County West

1363
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:43,220
Virginia which is only like 30 minutes

1364
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:45,530
away which is where we do a lot of black

1365
01:05:49,060 --> 01:05:47,090
ops anyways and slide this thing out

1366
01:05:53,710 --> 01:05:49,070
from there they could have just got it

1367
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:53,720
to the camp Dawson had to think for a

1368
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:55,670
second if they got at the camp Dawson

1369
01:06:00,220 --> 01:05:58,130
and and we do black ops out of there why

1370
01:06:01,690 --> 01:06:00,230
wouldn't we didn't fly it directly from

1371
01:06:04,450 --> 01:06:01,700
there to wright-patterson learn and

1372
01:06:06,970 --> 01:06:04,460
drive it down a road well no it wouldn't

1373
01:06:09,099 --> 01:06:06,980
it yeah it isn't one of the strange

1374
01:06:11,410 --> 01:06:09,109
things about this case is that it it

1375
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:11,420
seems like the military knew that this

1376
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:13,040
was coming down there I mean weren't

1377
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:14,840
they they got their way into the fast

1378
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:20,000
lane over t1 and and I mean it's build

1379
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:22,850
up more today but the ability to get to

1380
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:25,609
this roll location that fast they would

1381
01:06:29,290 --> 01:06:27,770
have had been tracking it and knew where

1382
01:06:32,859 --> 01:06:29,300
it was going down and had them on the

1383
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:32,869
move and and there were you know you're

1384
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:35,930
talking about army reserve units and if

1385
01:06:39,810 --> 01:06:37,910
you watch people muster a special

1386
01:06:42,070 --> 01:06:39,820
reserve units they don't muster as fast

1387
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:42,080
they don't kiss they don't get in the

1388
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:43,730
trucks they don't move but what you

1389
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:46,609
would expect you know movies make us

1390
01:06:50,770 --> 01:06:47,780
have a different impression of what

1391
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:50,780
happens in reality they should come and

1392
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:52,970
we were just at the church watching the

1393
01:06:56,650 --> 01:06:54,920
cadets flying up and I said well we can

1394
01:06:58,450 --> 01:06:56,660
see why they why they trained for this

1395
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:58,460
because they're learning and they're not

1396
01:07:03,370 --> 01:07:02,000
moving very fast they will move faster

1397
01:07:07,090 --> 01:07:03,380
when they have been doing it for a while

1398
01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:07,100
and now near was doing a training do you

1399
01:07:12,670 --> 01:07:09,800
think that NORAD had picked this up or

1400
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:12,680
was it pre we know that they were

1401
01:07:18,050 --> 01:07:14,610
following it coming in over Detroit

1402
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:18,060
because we you know it was reported when

1403
01:07:22,550 --> 01:07:20,010
the object was coming in and how it

1404
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:22,560
passed over Detroit so the absolutely by

1405
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:24,810
that point knew where it was going so

1406
01:07:28,790 --> 01:07:26,070
they've probably calculated the

1407
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,800
trajectory and test but to be there as

1408
01:07:32,990 --> 01:07:31,440
quick as they were someone did a

1409
01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:33,000
fabulous job

1410
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:36,150
and and and and it can be done I mean it

1411
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:41,010
that you can miss - we just did I was I

1412
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:44,310
got to film a balloon test that went up

1413
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:45,900
in the atmosphere and exploded and then

1414
01:07:51,350 --> 01:07:49,410
comes down with with the the physics

1415
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:51,360
department of West Point does and when I

1416
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:53,400
we were filming it we were chasing it

1417
01:07:58,820 --> 01:07:57,210
and tark's and one of the two balloons

1418
01:08:01,400 --> 01:07:58,830
we were to calculate where it was going

1419
01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:01,410
to land almost within a quarter mile so

1420
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:02,190
half now

1421
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:06,480
the other one was off so you you know

1422
01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:09,540
but we were racing behind this and it

1423
01:08:14,930 --> 01:08:11,640
was moving faster than we could go in a

1424
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:14,940
in a vehicle on road to New York I mean

1425
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:16,410
that was in New York City it was in

1426
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:18,450
upstate New York suppose you can really

1427
01:08:24,860 --> 01:08:22,710
fly but the speed is something obvious

1428
01:08:27,710 --> 01:08:24,870
things going much much faster than these

1429
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:27,720
balloons will be gone now do you think

1430
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:30,560
that do you think that this was a

1431
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:33,660
projectile or or was it something that

1432
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:35,330
was being flown

1433
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:38,339
what would the the eyewitness accounts

1434
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:41,640
talk about it making maneuvers so you

1435
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:44,000
know we work for the film off of that

1436
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,430
premise you know we were keeping it

1437
01:08:51,770 --> 01:08:49,440
secret that the in the film it was

1438
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:51,780
aliens but we had a unique thing

1439
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:54,480
happened the Ray Bradbury Museum in

1440
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:57,210
Chicago which is going to open needed

1441
01:09:04,190 --> 01:09:00,359
alien suits they need an alien for their

1442
01:09:07,820 --> 01:09:04,200
display at Comic Con and we sent them

1443
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:07,830
the suit from the film so being able to

1444
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:10,170
tie in with Ray Bradbury's museum was

1445
01:09:17,210 --> 01:09:14,400
just way too much too passive and so and

1446
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:17,220
they had the suit at Comic Con so we

1447
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:20,310
sent the suit out to San Diego and it's

1448
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:22,890
on display right now actually so we

1449
01:09:28,759 --> 01:09:26,159
could no longer keep it secret

1450
01:09:30,769 --> 01:09:28,769
what what the alien looks like or any of

1451
01:09:32,599 --> 01:09:30,779
that because we decide okay

1452
01:09:34,549 --> 01:09:32,609
you know we're never getting it when you

1453
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:34,559
do an independent film you don't get to

1454
01:09:39,259 --> 01:09:37,319
be tied in with Ray Bradbury or no for

1455
01:09:41,569 --> 01:09:39,269
sure have something common hunt and so

1456
01:09:44,449 --> 01:09:41,579
we took this this opportunity and said

1457
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:44,459
let's go for it yours or yours this is

1458
01:09:51,589 --> 01:09:48,839
the yours is the kind of movie where the

1459
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:51,599
alien remains a mystery anyway I mean

1460
01:09:57,589 --> 01:09:54,510
it's a secondary I'm sure to the actual

1461
01:10:00,109 --> 01:09:57,599
story and the build-up to that it is

1462
01:10:02,330 --> 01:10:00,119
that the aliens are you know this is

1463
01:10:04,879 --> 01:10:02,340
about when we filmed the things with

1464
01:10:07,429 --> 01:10:04,889
Lyndon Johnson and again we took

1465
01:10:09,259 --> 01:10:07,439
liberties in real life he flew the head

1466
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,269
of NASA into his ranch

1467
01:10:15,919 --> 01:10:11,760
we decided visually the ranch would be

1468
01:10:17,089 --> 01:10:15,929
kind of a boring setting we decided to

1469
01:10:19,429 --> 01:10:17,099
have him at a political fundraiser

1470
01:10:22,939 --> 01:10:19,439
because then we could have more dynamic

1471
01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:22,949
movement until he leaves and and then he

1472
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:24,689
meets with the head of men and black and

1473
01:10:29,719 --> 01:10:26,729
he and we decided this fundraiser would

1474
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:29,729
be with former Senator Robert Byrd and

1475
01:10:36,049 --> 01:10:32,400
Robert Byrd which was a tie in the West

1476
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:36,059
Virginia and which is very close to

1477
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:38,070
Kecksburg I mean they're the two states

1478
01:10:42,379 --> 01:10:40,380
our next person is a West Virginia

1479
01:10:43,729 --> 01:10:42,389
border 13 alright maybe Cody let me

1480
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:43,739
interrupt you here because we have to go

1481
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:45,150
to our bottom of the hour break when we

1482
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,010
come back we will continue more about

1483
01:10:52,459 --> 01:10:48,880
the Kecksburg film it

1484
01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:52,469
Cody now back to exploring the bazaar

1485
01:10:58,169 --> 01:10:55,060
with two of the most electrifying

1486
01:11:03,899 --> 01:10:58,179
researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

1487
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:03,909
Timothy beckylyn Anton Swartz back to

1488
01:11:10,140 --> 01:11:06,190
exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Swartz and

1489
01:11:12,419 --> 01:11:10,150
I were at the final segment of our show

1490
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:12,429
and we're talking with filmmaker Cody

1491
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:15,610
Knox about his film currently in

1492
01:11:20,879 --> 01:11:18,880
production the the title is Kecksburg

1493
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,889
now is that is that gonna be your final

1494
01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:22,719
title or is that just your working title

1495
01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:25,030
Cody that is our working title but

1496
01:11:29,129 --> 01:11:27,580
that's our plan I mean we've done we've

1497
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:29,139
made t-shirts and different things based

1498
01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:31,480
on it but you know to end up being

1499
01:11:34,919 --> 01:11:33,790
objects in the sky or somewhere I don't

1500
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:34,929
like because wouldn't you sell it to

1501
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:36,790
distribution they they make the changes

1502
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:38,530
they want to be and you don't have a lot

1503
01:11:44,419 --> 01:11:42,489
control over that you just kind of

1504
01:11:49,979 --> 01:11:44,429
accept it you know that's what it is

1505
01:11:51,689 --> 01:11:49,989
right and now as you said this is this

1506
01:11:56,669 --> 01:11:51,699
is a film it's not a it's not a

1507
01:11:59,250 --> 01:11:56,679
documentary so what what's going to be

1508
01:12:00,959 --> 01:11:59,260
and and you know I don't I don't want

1509
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:00,969
you to have to reveal any spoilers or

1510
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:02,260
anything like that but you know what's

1511
01:12:06,629 --> 01:12:04,330
going to be in this film that that

1512
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:06,639
separates it from just you don't like it

1513
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:08,370
standard documentary about Kecksburg

1514
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:12,610
well the focus is on the reporter John

1515
01:12:20,370 --> 01:12:16,030
Murphy and this this conflict that goes

1516
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:20,380
on between our government and our

1517
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:22,510
citizens and our soldiers and our people

1518
01:12:27,419 --> 01:12:25,030
who and the decisions are going to make

1519
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:27,429
which is wide showing filming the scenes

1520
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:31,360
with LBJ and Senator Byrd and Senator

1521
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:34,210
Byrd is there to represent the audience

1522
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:37,030
or the Senators and the people who are

1523
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,699
duly elected by the people who believe

1524
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:41,679
they're doing the right thing and have

1525
01:12:46,379 --> 01:12:43,420
no idea that the secret government is

1526
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:46,389
happening and and so I think it's very

1527
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:49,510
timely to today I mean and the

1528
01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:51,880
president's having to make a call and in

1529
01:12:56,189 --> 01:12:54,070
the room is himself in the middle and

1530
01:13:00,330 --> 01:12:56,199
he's being pulled between senator Byrd

1531
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:00,340
and General Martin is bid

1532
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:02,530
we based another person mission world

1533
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:06,490
in general martin of pennsylvania who is

1534
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:08,890
heading the men in black and we did

1535
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:09,790
something different with the men in

1536
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,300
black the men in black are based upon

1537
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:14,560
the head of it is not some person

1538
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:16,270
no-one's ever met but in real life it

1539
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:18,250
would be a politician and a general we

1540
01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:20,020
went looking for a politician general

1541
01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:22,060
and there was Eisenhower and General

1542
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,800
Martin both from Pennsylvania and

1543
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:26,080
obviously Eisenhower's too well-known so

1544
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:27,130
we said it would have to be someone

1545
01:13:34,380 --> 01:13:29,170
people don't really remember and so we

1546
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:34,390
chose Andrew Martin and we thought that

1547
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:36,070
was kind of a neat choice he's also from

1548
01:13:40,190 --> 01:13:37,930
where I grew up so that was kind of fun

1549
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:40,200
for me

1550
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,300
now I understand I understand that you

1551
01:13:49,980 --> 01:13:46,080
actually have an FBI agent in the film

1552
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:49,990
yes very CAC is an actual FBI agent he's

1553
01:13:56,670 --> 01:13:52,570
also a Warrant Officer in the Texas

1554
01:13:58,770 --> 01:13:56,680
National Guard and he is claiming the

1555
01:14:00,180 --> 01:13:58,780
main man in black agent Donovan which we

1556
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:00,190
named after Wild Bill Donovan the

1557
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:07,270
founder of the OSS and and we in so it's

1558
01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:09,610
it's really neat because he provided a

1559
01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:11,320
lot of background for us on how a

1560
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:13,660
government agency would have been

1561
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:16,510
organized our idea is that this group

1562
01:14:21,150 --> 01:14:19,210
the men in black stem out of the OSS

1563
01:14:23,730 --> 01:14:21,160
that the where they would have gotten

1564
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:23,740
agents just like the CIA did would have

1565
01:14:31,890 --> 01:14:28,480
been from that group and and so we made

1566
01:14:34,410 --> 01:14:31,900
it more government than some of the

1567
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:34,420
ideas in the past that had been chosen

1568
01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:36,910
on that and and having a real-life FBI

1569
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:38,710
agent play it he had to get approval it

1570
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:42,810
was just it's kick-ass is perfect

1571
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:45,970
because he brings that government agency

1572
01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:49,330
thing too into play we also have

1573
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:50,350
something else had one make sure I

1574
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:52,930
mention it when you ask about details

1575
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,210
with the spaceship we we have rough

1576
01:15:03,060 --> 01:14:59,920
dimensions of what people said the size

1577
01:15:05,670 --> 01:15:03,070
work so we actually gave it to Michael

1578
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:05,680
Moulton dr. fuzzy Moulton was the

1579
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:09,040
inventor of the search engine and he

1580
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:11,710
agreed to help out this to be part of

1581
01:15:17,230 --> 01:15:12,890
this

1582
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:17,240
have held to four and a half foot

1583
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,810
creatures and he said it could given the

1584
01:15:24,430 --> 01:15:22,400
dimensions and then what was the

1585
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:24,440
propulsion be and so he designed the

1586
01:15:28,270 --> 01:15:26,210
spaceship and one of the things we're

1587
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:28,280
trying to do is raise the money to build

1588
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:32,390
Mullins design and to have somebody of

1589
01:15:37,870 --> 01:15:35,150
that caliber involved in the project as

1590
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:37,880
being incredible it adds instant

1591
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:41,360
credibility to the scientific side other

1592
01:15:48,130 --> 01:15:42,920
than because I wanted that to be as

1593
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:48,140
solid as possibly it could be person

1594
01:15:53,020 --> 01:15:51,260
just okay we make ups I know there's

1595
01:15:57,130 --> 01:15:53,030
physics involved so we want the physics

1596
01:15:59,820 --> 01:15:57,140
to make sure well now you know it just

1597
01:16:03,040 --> 01:15:59,830
seems okay so you say it could have a

1598
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:03,050
too little creatures cannon fitted fit

1599
01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:05,930
inside but this doesn't seem like a

1600
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:08,120
thing that would have traveled many

1601
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,560
miles across space no no the idea is

1602
01:16:17,530 --> 01:16:15,440
that it is a lander of some sort in fact

1603
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:17,540
corporated that like oh my god override

1604
01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:22,010
that into the design like a pod yes and

1605
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:25,310
he made sure like Superman like Superman

1606
01:16:31,450 --> 01:16:29,360
landed here in absolutely so he

1607
01:16:33,460 --> 01:16:31,460
incorporated space for them collecting

1608
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:33,470
rocks and things because we wanted the

1609
01:16:41,260 --> 01:16:39,050
idea of that that they were here looking

1610
01:16:44,650 --> 01:16:41,270
at our planet and and that would require

1611
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,660
taking back samples you hauled them

1612
01:16:48,130 --> 01:16:45,920
don't go buddy

1613
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:48,140
you don't give any credence to the idea

1614
01:16:58,090 --> 01:16:54,310
that this might have been the glocca um

1615
01:17:00,040 --> 01:16:58,100
we considered that in the initial script

1616
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:00,050
and the initial scrubber man I remember

1617
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,330
I I heard you say yes I remember hearing

1618
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:05,120
you say that right in what it came down

1619
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:06,560
to was it would have added a lot of

1620
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:09,770
expense when period clothing is

1621
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:11,450
difficult enough of the sixties and my

1622
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:15,650
wife is an expert on historical clothing

1623
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:17,840
and impersonations and and she does it

1624
01:17:22,270 --> 01:17:20,570
for spy museum in the National Park and

1625
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:22,280
we actually both do but she doesn't a

1626
01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:25,310
lot more than I do and so one of the

1627
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:26,630
reasons our visuals have

1628
01:17:31,330 --> 01:17:29,270
so great is we're able to do this on a

1629
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:31,340
very low budget because we know she

1630
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:33,370
knows what she's doing with clothing and

1631
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:36,710
in matching showers and things and the

1632
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:38,030
section one the process we have is fun

1633
01:17:41,950 --> 01:17:39,170
would spend a lot of money and gets

1634
01:17:44,290 --> 01:17:41,960
clothing and I don't know why people

1635
01:17:47,860 --> 01:17:44,300
forget clothing is meant to be worn it's

1636
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:47,870
not a costume and so we've been very

1637
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:50,330
happy with far down to little details

1638
01:17:57,370 --> 01:17:54,710
like the the silver with a sore start so

1639
01:17:59,530 --> 01:17:57,380
we're start pin on LBJ LBJ always went

1640
01:18:02,680 --> 01:17:59,540
everywhere cuz silver start pin and sew

1641
01:18:05,050 --> 01:18:02,690
film picked some details so Richard John

1642
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:05,060
Walters who was Harry warden and My

1643
01:18:10,030 --> 01:18:08,510
Bloody Valentine plays LBJ and we were

1644
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:10,040
very fortunate that it was part of the

1645
01:18:17,290 --> 01:18:15,290
cast so and I mean this thing I'd all

1646
01:18:21,310 --> 01:18:17,300
pick up on the street yeah

1647
01:18:23,020 --> 01:18:21,320
now we we've written on the Kecksburg in

1648
01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:23,030
the the concept that it might have been

1649
01:18:28,150 --> 01:18:25,430
the you know something that the German

1650
01:18:33,940 --> 01:18:28,160
the Germans had developed a time machine

1651
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:33,950
of some sort but there is a a rumor is

1652
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:36,770
they're not Kody that some people claim

1653
01:18:41,140 --> 01:18:38,810
that they actually saw some bony fingers

1654
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:41,150
of a hand or something come out of the

1655
01:18:47,410 --> 01:18:45,350
craft yes there when Stan Gordon did its

1656
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:47,420
excellent oral history I mean it's dated

1657
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:49,730
in the sense of the feel this excellent

1658
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:52,490
oral history he did on Kecksburg he

1659
01:18:55,810 --> 01:18:53,840
interviewed people that mentioned three

1660
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,820
fingers so we built that into the design

1661
01:18:59,530 --> 01:18:58,400
I mean the aliens now public we built

1662
01:19:03,700 --> 01:18:59,540
that in the design of everything

1663
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,710
including down to dr. Moulton and dr.

1664
01:19:07,900 --> 01:19:05,840
Morehouse from because evolutionary

1665
01:19:10,540 --> 01:19:07,910
biologists rip it built that into the

1666
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:10,550
design of the aliens because again we

1667
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:13,510
wanted this to be to make sense

1668
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:16,610
biologically and scientifically so we

1669
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:19,370
brought scientists into the process and

1670
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:20,810
again most films don't do that I mean

1671
01:19:24,370 --> 01:19:22,940
they just they make up junk science we

1672
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:24,380
didn't want junk science and so they

1673
01:19:30,490 --> 01:19:27,170
three handed thing that that all the

1674
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:30,500
symbols inside our bill on hexagons we

1675
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:32,360
decided that all this as part of the

1676
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:35,360
aliens are what what about the symbols

1677
01:19:39,460 --> 01:19:37,820
now they the craft had a ring around

1678
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:39,470
that or some sort and they were symbols

1679
01:19:42,700 --> 01:19:40,400
yeah and

1680
01:19:45,090 --> 01:19:42,710
yes and so we sent at the dr. Malden

1681
01:19:50,110 --> 01:19:45,100
that he invented an entire language

1682
01:19:51,610 --> 01:19:50,120
based upon those symbols and and that is

1683
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:51,620
one of the really cool things we get to

1684
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:56,480
the film that McKenna we're dying for

1685
01:19:59,500 --> 01:19:57,890
raising the rest of the money and so

1686
01:20:01,660 --> 01:19:59,510
that's why literally selling t-shirts

1687
01:20:05,230 --> 01:20:01,670
and selling tickets to the premiere and

1688
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:05,240
all kinds of things online to get the

1689
01:20:09,070 --> 01:20:06,950
wrist and we have people interested and

1690
01:20:10,750 --> 01:20:09,080
funding the rest the dr. Mullen created

1691
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:10,760
a whole language based on those symbols

1692
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:13,040
and we can actually they're very similar

1693
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:18,650
to a language in an Eskimo language and

1694
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:20,630
my wife is getting to the name of it

1695
01:20:35,610 --> 01:20:24,890
that we used as the basis for this now

1696
01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:39,190
eh-eh-eh tiene sorry she's got me yeah

1697
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:41,780
we took that Indian language do you

1698
01:20:46,630 --> 01:20:43,610
think that there's any similarity

1699
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:46,640
between what was on the Kecksburg UFO

1700
01:20:55,470 --> 01:20:49,670
and supposedly what was on that i-beam

1701
01:20:58,330 --> 01:20:55,480
in Roswell yes yes and I think that that

1702
01:20:59,620 --> 01:20:58,340
these things are very interconnected and

1703
01:21:01,480 --> 01:20:59,630
it's one that I mean one of the problems

1704
01:21:04,210 --> 01:21:01,490
I have is one of the reasons I'm doing

1705
01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:04,220
this is Roswell gets a lot of money 91

1706
01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:06,680
million dollars annually Kecksburg

1707
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:10,340
should be in the Northeast a similar

1708
01:21:16,630 --> 01:21:14,510
attraction and in and draw money to the

1709
01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:16,640
region and help the people there so

1710
01:21:20,890 --> 01:21:18,590
besides the mystery of it there's an

1711
01:21:22,660 --> 01:21:20,900
economic boon to the state of

1712
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:22,670
Pennsylvania in particular the people in

1713
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:25,550
West Warren County and it's an untapped

1714
01:21:31,540 --> 01:21:28,190
resource I mean what else they did they

1715
01:21:34,180 --> 01:21:31,550
do have a model UFO up there are stilts

1716
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,190
of or a platform or something do it do

1717
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:37,040
they have your leaf festival of any sort

1718
01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:39,410
they have a festival which is actually

1719
01:21:42,340 --> 01:21:40,580
the end of this month we're gonna be

1720
01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:42,350
there selling tickets and selling

1721
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:44,660
t-shirts and but I mean it's attended by

1722
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:46,160
people from around the country but it

1723
01:21:50,740 --> 01:21:48,830
mostly just the people locally and and

1724
01:21:53,230 --> 01:21:50,750
this it shouldn't be that way I mean

1725
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:53,240
this dish this should be making real

1726
01:21:57,939 --> 01:21:54,170
money for

1727
01:21:59,740 --> 01:21:57,949
region and the people there the fire

1728
01:22:00,520 --> 01:21:59,750
department and desperate is to happen

1729
01:22:02,740 --> 01:22:00,530
we're trying to get the state of

1730
01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:02,750
Pennsylvania movement politicians move

1731
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:06,460
like glaciers oh boy I don't know

1732
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,730
isn't that true but well you know that

1733
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:13,520
of course now we figure I think at the

1734
01:22:20,380 --> 01:22:16,960
last count we had about 10 or 11

1735
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:20,390
festivals around the the country and of

1736
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,280
course that's kind of you know like I

1737
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:25,360
guess Roswell kind of got the the ball

1738
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:27,980
rolling on that or the saucer flying or

1739
01:22:33,970 --> 01:22:31,489
whatever you know I think it won at one

1740
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:33,980
point the the whole concept that you

1741
01:22:37,810 --> 01:22:35,510
would approach the Chamber of Commerce

1742
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:37,820
about a UFO the day they would have

1743
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:40,070
probably you know locked you up or

1744
01:22:44,830 --> 01:22:42,590
something like that it was I'm sure in

1745
01:22:46,810 --> 01:22:44,840
the beginning it was very hard to get

1746
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:46,820
anybody to be enthused about this

1747
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:50,330
because of the association of UFOs and

1748
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:53,840
and the how could I put it I guess the

1749
01:22:59,700 --> 01:22:56,030
fringe element or so I I don't know what

1750
01:23:02,680 --> 01:22:59,710
the fringe element is but yeah yeah but

1751
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:02,690
we have some wonderful Roger Marsh from

1752
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:05,900
MUFON lives right near Tex Burk I mean

1753
01:23:10,660 --> 01:23:07,489
he's one of the main people and move on

1754
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:10,670
and and so you know they've been

1755
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:12,890
wonderfully helpful to help to advocate

1756
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,410
when our if I don't remember to mention

1757
01:23:18,959 --> 01:23:17,120
our website my partners will get mad at

1758
01:23:21,340 --> 01:23:18,969
me which is principalities of darkness

1759
01:23:23,740 --> 01:23:21,350
when people can find what we're going on

1760
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:23,750
Kecksburg comments on Facebook too

1761
01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:27,199
but we're selling stuff to try and raise

1762
01:23:32,380 --> 01:23:30,830
the rest of the money and and but you

1763
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:32,390
know well if you got an idea if you got

1764
01:23:38,890 --> 01:23:34,850
an extra large t-shirt I'll go and you

1765
01:23:40,930 --> 01:23:38,900
take paypal I'll go there later we do so

1766
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:40,940
yes that it's uh because there's a

1767
01:23:46,810 --> 01:23:43,040
there's two full shirts that we have for

1768
01:23:48,669 --> 01:23:46,820
sale um and and the new one has the boys

1769
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:48,679
who are in the film which are amazing

1770
01:23:56,650 --> 01:23:50,449
young actors that we were so fortunate

1771
01:23:59,290 --> 01:23:56,660
to get um so now it's the fact that this

1772
01:24:01,150 --> 01:23:59,300
nine what Roswell receives annually is

1773
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:01,160
the same amount of money and tourism

1774
01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:05,570
that Gettysburg does it's that way we're

1775
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:07,300
and it's in the middle of it

1776
01:24:13,650 --> 01:24:10,020
it surely wasn't like that up until what

1777
01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:13,660
15 years ago how the Reedman book

1778
01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:18,340
changed every circuit yeah I bet I bet

1779
01:24:23,490 --> 01:24:19,870
you Stan wish he had a cut of some of

1780
01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:23,500
the actor though and that's one of the

1781
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:25,060
neat things means film and these things

1782
01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:26,950
draw tourism and it should be part of

1783
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:30,190
the whole business plan yeah that you're

1784
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:32,290
drawing people in area dish being money

1785
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:35,410
going back so that's one of the things

1786
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:38,980
I've been working on to try and make

1787
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:42,840
some more feasible do you do you plan a

1788
01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:47,130
theatrical release which is no easy

1789
01:24:54,570 --> 01:24:51,190
project we do yeah I had a limited one

1790
01:24:57,060 --> 01:24:54,580
with pro-russian vs. zombies and so that

1791
01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:57,070
was that had a wide release as far as

1792
01:25:03,210 --> 01:25:00,760
the DVD I get is that is that on Netflix

1793
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:03,220
anywhere I want it funny Amazon Prime

1794
01:25:12,030 --> 01:25:07,840
and hey I'm gonna watch it tonight oh

1795
01:25:14,610 --> 01:25:12,040
it's a horrible film but it's fun it's

1796
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:14,620
like much better in Americans that it is

1797
01:25:19,020 --> 01:25:16,390
very well in England they sold it in

1798
01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:19,030
supermarkets and all kinds of places in

1799
01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:20,140
England and Ireland

1800
01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:23,260
what was it a enjoyed wrestlers and

1801
01:25:29,780 --> 01:25:26,590
zombies pro wrestlers versus zombies it

1802
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:29,790
had Roddy Piper Kurt Angle Matt Hardy

1803
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:32,880
you've got some names in there

1804
01:25:38,850 --> 01:25:35,500
exhale Jim Duggan my wife and Shane

1805
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:38,860
Douglas who was ECW Champion

1806
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:41,350
every time world champion he is also in

1807
01:25:46,770 --> 01:25:43,570
Kecksburg because I my wife made me

1808
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:46,780
promise to only have one wrestler and so

1809
01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:50,410
I took Shane was in my wedding I changed

1810
01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:50,860
my buddy

1811
01:25:58,380 --> 01:25:54,340
and so he's gonna play the hit the kick

1812
01:26:00,960 --> 01:25:58,390
for farmer geez we had a show on just a

1813
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:00,970
couple of weeks ago it was a tribute to

1814
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:03,850
a lady friend of mine but she wrestled

1815
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:07,270
all over the world Vivian st. John you

1816
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:08,850
know she was one of

1817
01:26:14,820 --> 01:26:11,650
Mulas girls you know but this is back in

1818
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:14,830
the I guess the 70s and you retired

1819
01:26:20,730 --> 01:26:18,880
yeah 80 she's one of the original girls

1820
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:20,740
of wrestling

1821
01:26:28,110 --> 01:26:23,310
you say Bruno one of Bruno's girls I

1822
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:28,120
don't mala you know below me oh yeah

1823
01:26:35,610 --> 01:26:33,280
yeah yeah yeah and I think sue sue green

1824
01:26:37,980 --> 01:26:35,620
was her tag-team partner for many many

1825
01:26:41,070 --> 01:26:37,990
years you know today she traveled all

1826
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:41,080
over the world and then she I first met

1827
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:42,850
her when she was like nineteen years old

1828
01:26:47,670 --> 01:26:45,070
I had two New York school of occult arts

1829
01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:47,680
and sciences and she was came in I know

1830
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:52,120
she was just lip Cincinnati and came in

1831
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,730
you know the and was walking down the

1832
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:56,800
street and sold the occult thing and she

1833
01:27:00,420 --> 01:26:58,690
was interested in that she did readings

1834
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:00,430
and we had a couple of experiences with

1835
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:02,470
the Ouija board and and all that and

1836
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:04,630
then she disappeared and the years later

1837
01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:07,510
I saw her and she had you know somebody

1838
01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:11,140
photos of all her wrestling boots and

1839
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:12,700
all that stuff she had traveled all over

1840
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:14,890
the world of Japan and yeah you know

1841
01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:16,990
different places in Asia and also it was

1842
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:19,660
it was quite a show I was the vice

1843
01:27:24,150 --> 01:27:21,910
president of Pat O'Connor fan club and

1844
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:24,160
killer Kowalski used to order books from

1845
01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:26,050
us you know he was the famous fall on

1846
01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:29,440
record yeah yeah yeah he was very

1847
01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:32,860
interested and Nikola Tesla and in the

1848
01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:36,100
Philadelphia Experiment and most people

1849
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:38,940
don't realize that he was a die-hard

1850
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:45,310
vegetarian Wow yeah yeah yeah for sure

1851
01:27:52,290 --> 01:27:48,300
he was an inter a very very interesting

1852
01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:52,300
fellow so when do you think the the

1853
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:54,820
movie will actually be release he have a

1854
01:28:00,030 --> 01:27:57,370
release date of May we have we we have

1855
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:00,040
we have set a release date for September

1856
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:04,630
14 2019 so I mean our biggest goal is to

1857
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:06,370
get the money to complete the last part

1858
01:28:12,030 --> 01:28:09,730
we actually had to recast our lead actor

1859
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:12,040
we had not filmed a scene yet and so

1860
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:14,590
we're in the process of auditioning

1861
01:28:19,950 --> 01:28:18,310
people for that and we think they might

1862
01:28:21,870 --> 01:28:19,960
have found the person but we have to go

1863
01:28:24,210 --> 01:28:21,880
through the rest of the auditions what

1864
01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:24,220
what and whatever use one what do you

1865
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:26,920
shoot what are you shooting the film of

1866
01:28:34,529 --> 01:28:30,610
video or 35 or is this shot on the Ton

1867
01:28:36,569 --> 01:28:34,539
Ton video and but we've done some stuff

1868
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:36,579
camera not imposed everyone wants to

1869
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:39,489
impose to make it look like film and

1870
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:41,530
make it a little vintage and because if

1871
01:28:45,509 --> 01:28:43,329
you do the lighting right and you do the

1872
01:28:46,919 --> 01:28:45,519
stuff in camera right then you have to

1873
01:28:48,899 --> 01:28:46,929
do less color correction and things

1874
01:28:50,459 --> 01:28:48,909
later and most of the you know a lot of

1875
01:28:52,259 --> 01:28:50,469
people are I think they're lazy anymore

1876
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:52,269
they don't want to deal they just want

1877
01:29:00,419 --> 01:28:54,489
to light it 3-point lighting this

1878
01:29:03,649 --> 01:29:00,429
requires you know dramatic lighting and

1879
01:29:06,089 --> 01:29:03,659
so I said you know that's actually not

1880
01:29:08,459 --> 01:29:06,099
especially the stuff of the forest I

1881
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:08,469
would in the woods I would guess if

1882
01:29:11,850 --> 01:29:10,210
you've seen our sneak peak and I don't

1883
01:29:15,029 --> 01:29:11,860
know if you have yet or not we've sort

1884
01:29:17,609 --> 01:29:15,039
of them on YouTube hex burg sneak peak

1885
01:29:21,509 --> 01:29:17,619
you will see dramatic lighting at every

1886
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:21,519
turn and you know we use a lot of shadow

1887
01:29:26,879 --> 01:29:25,000
and a lot of the visuals are inspired

1888
01:29:28,410 --> 01:29:26,889
also by Suspiria when we get to the

1889
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:28,420
voice where you have a lot of different

1890
01:29:35,819 --> 01:29:33,070
interesting colors that are not normally

1891
01:29:38,609 --> 01:29:35,829
seen anymore in film maybe maybe we can

1892
01:29:41,879 --> 01:29:38,619
maybe we can get our YouTube editor to

1893
01:29:45,029 --> 01:29:41,889
to grab that up and put it on as part of

1894
01:29:46,859 --> 01:29:45,039
the interview I'm sure I YouTube but

1895
01:29:51,629 --> 01:29:46,869
listeners or viewers or whatever they

1896
01:29:54,689 --> 01:29:51,639
are would be would be interested in this

1897
01:29:58,859 --> 01:29:54,699
so have you guys won praise on it yeah

1898
01:30:00,509 --> 01:29:58,869
have you had any business by I mean has

1899
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:00,519
anybody told you you shouldn't be doing

1900
01:30:09,330 --> 01:30:07,510
this not really but you know I'm living

1901
01:30:12,060 --> 01:30:09,340
in a unique place I mean I'm sitting it

1902
01:30:12,959 --> 01:30:12,070
to where we live at it would makes it

1903
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:12,969
different

1904
01:30:19,169 --> 01:30:15,670
I've had people a little concerned that

1905
01:30:22,850 --> 01:30:19,179
I knew from politics and mainly you know

1906
01:30:26,129 --> 01:30:22,860
the biggest pushback has been people

1907
01:30:28,919 --> 01:30:26,139
about things like you know I because I

1908
01:30:31,379 --> 01:30:28,929
was a politician and a newspaper editor

1909
01:30:32,970 --> 01:30:31,389
I post on politics and my personal pages

1910
01:30:34,830 --> 01:30:32,980
and then you get to a hole

1911
01:30:37,290 --> 01:30:34,840
you shouldn't have those political

1912
01:30:39,209 --> 01:30:37,300
beliefs and and I believe everybody has

1913
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:39,219
done them the art itself is always

1914
01:30:46,819 --> 01:30:41,710
offensive and art is political by its

1915
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:46,829
nature and in this story is immensely

1916
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:48,400
political because it goes

1917
01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:49,570
the heart of our governments there's

1918
01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:50,920
been more stuff like that because

1919
01:30:54,300 --> 01:30:52,540
everybody's divided into two camps I

1920
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:54,310
want to scream at each other and and

1921
01:31:00,810 --> 01:30:56,800
yeah I use your very middle of the road

1922
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:00,820
between the two and you know I think

1923
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:02,530
thoughts on both their houses they need

1924
01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:04,920
to grow up and realize people disagree

1925
01:31:11,790 --> 01:31:09,100
stuff that hard you know so would you

1926
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:11,800
ever consider doing another UFO movie or

1927
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:15,010
is this a one I am Cano I am considering

1928
01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:18,070
another UFO movie and this one would be

1929
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:20,920
one in which I would actually probably

1930
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:23,050
play the lead myself I'm looking at

1931
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:26,290
little green men in the incident in

1932
01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:31,690
Kentucky great great yep yep great they

1933
01:31:36,030 --> 01:31:34,300
have to do it was the yeah that was the

1934
01:31:39,090 --> 01:31:36,040
the epicenter of where they had the

1935
01:31:40,740 --> 01:31:39,100
Eclipse they had a they had their own it

1936
01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:40,750
they had their own festival there I

1937
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:42,340
never did they were they were thinking

1938
01:31:45,209 --> 01:31:44,290
of taking in like 30 million dollars or

1939
01:31:48,959 --> 01:31:45,219
something I don't think they came

1940
01:31:50,660 --> 01:31:48,969
anywhere near that but you know what I

1941
01:31:56,970 --> 01:31:50,670
mean that would be more on the lines of

1942
01:32:02,490 --> 01:31:56,980
comedy a black comedy because I I grew

1943
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:02,500
up very Appalachian and so I am I'm good

1944
01:32:08,189 --> 01:32:05,610
at ad-libbing that type of character I

1945
01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:08,199
think there's a lot of fun to be had in

1946
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:12,100
that story oh yeah give me that give me

1947
01:32:18,630 --> 01:32:14,050
give me a shotgun and I'll come down and

1948
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:18,640
be one of the guys there the Sutton

1949
01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:21,010
Sutton family there you know I think one

1950
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:24,070
of the isn't that one of the Tim the the

1951
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:25,900
granddaughter still around I mean you

1952
01:32:29,939 --> 01:32:28,000
know people just like the whole family

1953
01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:29,949
the whole family disappeared and

1954
01:32:33,540 --> 01:32:31,150
nobody's ever heard from him but that's

1955
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:33,550
that's not true in fact I don't know 10

1956
01:32:37,979 --> 01:32:36,610
or 15 years ago one of the members of

1957
01:32:39,419 --> 01:32:37,989
the family I don't know if they were

1958
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:39,429
there that night and I even wrote a book

1959
01:32:44,610 --> 01:32:42,250
so published a month on the air on the

1960
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:44,620
topic so you know if you if they are out

1961
01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:46,630
there we will we will find them I mean

1962
01:32:50,340 --> 01:32:48,580
they never they never changed their

1963
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:50,350
story either I mean you know years later

1964
01:32:54,660 --> 01:32:53,050
you know is this leo they they they

1965
01:32:56,580 --> 01:32:54,670
never said oh yeah we just you know we

1966
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:56,590
were drinking too much no no they did

1967
01:33:01,410 --> 01:32:59,650
that they kept with the same story Tim

1968
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:01,420
we've got about two minutes left in the

1969
01:33:04,410 --> 01:33:02,050
show

1970
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:04,420
see that so yeah let Cody give all the

1971
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:08,170
information and where people can follow

1972
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:10,329
up on this and find out about his movies

1973
01:33:17,790 --> 01:33:14,320
and his future projects and awesome um

1974
01:33:19,459 --> 01:33:17,800
you can find me on expert of the movie

1975
01:33:24,419 --> 01:33:19,469
you can actually find my personal

1976
01:33:28,350 --> 01:33:24,429
facebook also 30 knots and on top of

1977
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:28,360
that principalities of darkness is that

1978
01:33:33,209 --> 01:33:31,690
or what have all of the brightness right

1979
01:33:36,169 --> 01:33:33,219
from the Bible but first of all the

1980
01:33:39,379 --> 01:33:36,179
darkness calm is where you'll find our

1981
01:33:42,060 --> 01:33:39,389
stuff for text pregnant t-shirts the the

1982
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:42,070
premiere tickets because we're selling

1983
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:43,360
them and you can have your name in the

1984
01:33:51,209 --> 01:33:47,130
credits as an alien abductee which is

1985
01:33:52,859 --> 01:33:51,219
yeah if they buy a premiere ticket they

1986
01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:52,869
can get their name in the credits so

1987
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:54,520
that we can then we can fill out the

1988
01:33:58,530 --> 01:33:57,010
premiere we don't have to have any other

1989
01:34:01,530 --> 01:33:58,540
investors and we can actually make this

1990
01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:01,540
work under well you know you actually

1991
01:34:05,729 --> 01:34:03,820
don't read the world very little yeah

1992
01:34:07,109 --> 01:34:05,739
you know what you know well you got when

1993
01:34:09,780 --> 01:34:07,119
you're doing this kind of project and

1994
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:09,790
believe me well I always pet we Tim and

1995
01:34:12,689 --> 01:34:11,170
I we worked together on this stuff we

1996
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:12,699
always paid our you know none of this

1997
01:34:16,350 --> 01:34:14,290
referral stuff you get paid you know

1998
01:34:18,750 --> 01:34:16,360
whatever the deal was that was it you

1999
01:34:21,839 --> 01:34:18,760
know and we love making movies and wish

2000
01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:21,849
we could do it again it's a big project

2001
01:34:25,229 --> 01:34:23,320
there's no doubt about it and we

2002
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:25,239
appreciate what you're doing and look

2003
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:27,610
forward to just seeing the film when

2004
01:34:31,260 --> 01:34:29,260
it's finished or perhaps even before it

2005
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:31,270
is and good night one and all and I

2006
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:34,719
wanna thank you Tina and Peter and Carol

2007
01:34:39,060 --> 01:34:37,570
and you of course tip their in Jasper

2008
01:34:41,700 --> 01:34:39,070
Indiana and our two guests tonight and

2009
01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:41,710
all our many listeners worldwide and CEO

2010
01:34:55,890 --> 01:34:52,770
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2011
01:34:59,399 --> 01:34:55,900
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2012
01:35:01,709 --> 01:34:59,409
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2013
01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:01,719
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2014
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:04,270
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2015
01:35:10,919 --> 01:35:07,570
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2016
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:10,929
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